Talk:Marilyn Manson discography

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Spooky Kids

Should the albums released under the Spooky Kids name (such as 'White Trash') be added to the list? I reckon so, but yeah, opinions? Deathwish 04:43, 7 March 2007 (CET)

No, but a link to the Spooky kids discography should be placed in a See also section. Windstorm 21:26, 14 June 2007 (CEST)

That, and White Trash is a bootleg, it shouldn't be on a discography at all. Litso 00:35, 15 June 2007 (CEST)

Digital Releases

Should the two digital releases (Lost & Found and itunes essentials) be moved to their own category? Cantwont 14:22, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Vinyl

Question, I personally would like to have a section, (not sure whether it should be just a section on discography or an article) but from a collector's point of view, i think we should have something that lists all official vinyl releases. I realize that some of the studio albums already include the vinyl, but I think it would be really cool to see all the vinyls in one section as well. [god]speed 00:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Compilations?

Also, I don't see how the download card or the boxset are categorized as compilations? Perhaps we should create a section titled Special Releases or something where we could place the vinyls, boxset, download card, etc. as they are unique and could be categorized together. Picture discs as well :) [god]speed 01:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Because they compile material from different collections. The boxset compiles two otherwise individually released albums and tapes, the Hot Topic download card compiles remixes from a bunch of random artists, and Lost & Found acts as a mini hits release whereas Lest We Forget and iTunes Essentials act as the whole shabang. Alden Weston talk 15:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Remixes

What do you think a high-profile remix is? Anything put out on a Manson release is high-profile. Anything artists/bootleggers randomly remixed and put out on obscure compilations/Internet/bootlegs is unauthorized. Alden Weston talk 20:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Wow, you've got your terminology all wrong. When something is "High-profile", it implies that it has more importance/it has more public appeal/people are paying more attention to it than other things in its category. For example, "Shrek" would be a high-profile movie, while "Salo" is just a regular profile movie. Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are a high profile couple, while your Mom and Dad are just a regular couple. See how this works? It DOES NOT mean: "anything put out on a Manson release". Also, "unauthorized" DOES NOT mean: "Anything artists/bootleggers randomly remixed and put out on obscure compilations/Internet/bootlegs". The method of release has nothing to do with the authenticity of the song itself. Just use your ears; if the remix clearly uses the original song's multitrack files (as is obviously the case with all those remixes you classified as "unauthorized") then either it was authorized by Manson/Interscope or the crafty little devils snuck into Manson's studio and stole his files. Which is more likely? Lastly, what is the point of writing out a full paragraph on a remix when that information can all be condensed into: "Name of Remix" ("Name of Original Song" remixed by "Name of Remixer"). Simple and to the point. This is a list, inside of a larger article of lists, not an elaborate article in itself. There's basic info and anyone who wants to know more than basic info can go read the main article. Writing out all that extra stuff would be like putting "Holy Wood is the 4th studio album by Marilyn Manson released in 2001 and featuring the musical input of Manson, Ramirez, etc." next to the Holy Wood entry; completely unnecessary since anyone who would care to find out the specifics will go to the main article anyways.--Lagozzino 22:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay guys, this editing war is getting a little out of hand, how about those involved hash it out on the forum or here on the discussion page before making anymore edits? If you two truly can't come to some kind of common ground, then put it up for vote amongst the senior editors. ‡-me-‡ 16:40, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I made an attempt at hashing it out. I made my case above, listing point by point why this new format he keeps trying to push isn't as good as the old old but I never got a rebuttal. Anyways, I asked Godspeed to discuss among the administrators and I'll just go along with the admins's final verdict, case closed.--Lagozzino 16:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I just think it's him on a power struggle and it's growing tiresome. The discography is large enough as it is, adding more to it over complicates it to the point where i think most users are going to just skip over it if they have to do that much reading. It's purpose should be to list and compile things in a simple matter with direct links to articles for users that want to find more information about the remix/whatever. I think Lagonizzo's is far more to the point and precise rather than cluttering it up with all of the other informations that are in the corresponding article for the said remix. [god]speed 17:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to confess, considering that the remainder of the page (eg: Studio albums) is merely the cover image, title and date, with the bulk of information (eg: "Mechanical Animals is the third studio album by Marilyn Manson, released on September 14, 1998 by Interscope Records. It is somewhat of a concept album, and the second of a trilogy" etc) found in the linked article. It seems fitting with the style of the page to keep the rest of the information here simple too. There seems little point to double up on information that's contained within an article. ‡-me-‡ 17:39, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: Though in saying that, the "ton of other edits" should probably be checked out of courtesy :).....On that note, it's 1.44am and ‡-me-‡ the diplomat is going to bed! Night :p ‡-me-‡ 17:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Charts

Since when did Heart-Shaped Glasses (When the Heart Guides the Hand) go #1 in UK and Putting Holes in Happiness go #1 in America????? Yawaraey 14:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Singles

I have noticed that a lot of the singles do not have a separate page, with a tracklisting and scans of the disc and front and back covers, I will compile a list, But i don't have any of the singles. Someone heeeelp :P [god]speed 05:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• The Dope Show
  I dont like the drugs
  Rock is dead
  Coma White
  Disposable Teens
  The Fight Song
  The Nobodies
  Working Class Hero
  Tainted Love
  mOBSCENE
  This is the New Shit
  Personal Jesus
  HSG
  PHIH
  You & Me and the Devil
  We're From America
  Arma-goddamn-motherfuckin-geddon
  
  

Millions of Albums sold

This often debated amongst the fan base, but according to press releases for THEOL, the band had sold 11 million albums worldwide. We are in the process of contacting the RIAA to get an actual number, but according to RIAA's list of top selling artists] I would assume that he would be closer to 11 million where bands such as NIN & Korn are as opposed to 68 million where artists such as Micheal Jackson, Madonna, & Metallica are.

[god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 08:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the "use" of watermarked imagery.

It has been brought to my attention that the recent uploads of album artwork is watermarked with Nachtkabarett imagery. I would not like for users to make a habit of borrowing watermarked imagery to use in our galleries. I will be replacing the singles imagery that I can with non-watermarked imagery. If anyone else can help provide actual scans of various album artwork please replace the watermarked images with those. Thank you

[god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 05:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry

Hey Godspeed, Im the one who took the picks off of Nachtkabarett, and I just wanted to apologize for it.

Holy Wood 10:39, 31 December 2010

Oh it's no big deal, Just making sure that we don't get into any disputes over content. Heading it off before anything happens. :) [god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 05:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Antichrist Final Songs

Should Antichrist Final Songs be added to the demo cassettes section of the page? The Manson Family Album is already included there, so it would make sense for it to be there as well. Swagotically 06:45, 29 February 2024 (EST)

yes, makes sense to me. just added another "unreleased" section nothing (talk) 06:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

most successful

""The Dope Show" is the band's most successful single in America to date", according to whom? What metric was used? How was this measured? MindBoosterNoori (talk) 23:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

as it's seen in the current version of the pages Special:Permalink/126732#Trivia and Special:Permalink/125248#Accolades, there are several nominations of the song/single. i don't know what performers can be nominated: maybe the performer must have sold a certain millions copies of the single?; be get in charts or rotated on TV for long? have positive reception from many critics? no idea, to be honest. the edit is very old, and i think that it's true until 2007 the wiki started in. but yes, providing a source would be the right way to go, so it can be marked as unconfirmed like this:

... {{Confirm|most successful single in America to date|source?}}.

nothing (talk) 07:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

fun fact, the first link for googling for the most successful single is MansonWiki nothing (talk) 07:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

seems that Billboard is the go-to place for US singles charts, so I'm going to use that as a source and make that statement a little bit better. MindBoosterNoori (talk) 18:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

One Assassination Under God - Chapter 1

The email NB sent too early by mistake can be seen here, in case we want to create the new album page already. - MindBoosterNoori (talk) 21:42, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

yep, i'll kick off soon today nothing (talk) 04:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

it requires some time to make all links work, so i'll fix them asap. thanks nothing (talk) 04:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

done. i hope i didn't miss a thing nothing (talk) 08:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

looks good. Maybe we can already create the page for the single, add info about the several album editions, and add the label merch to the merch page... and a news item? MindBoosterNoori (talk) 09:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

i missed a lot then! :D thank you for a sharp eye! i'll add single/song stubs for "Sacrilegious" and the release versions info to the album. if you would like, please add the merch info just like you did recently. regarding the news, i'm not sure how to bring it up correctly (the English language, an accidental email leak and on) nothing (talk) 10:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

all of this done, I think :) MindBoosterNoori (talk) 18:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Compilations

I was thinking about converting "Soundtrack inclusions" as a subitem of a section called "compilations", because Manson tracks don't feature only on soundtrack compilations (even if that's most popular), and there are other appearences (eg. on magazine samplers). What do you think? MindBoosterNoori (talk) 11:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

let's leave it as it is. the compilations section contains items that were released by Marilyn Manson (as the person or) as the band on behalf of, as it came, Marilyn Manson. first, soundtracks Marilyn Manson participated in were never Manson-only and mostly have works by Marilyn Manson earlier. second thing, none of the compilations were created for a particular movie, and even if Marilyn Manson was the only artist for a soundtrack, it wouldn't be an only-Marilyn Manson work like albums and . there's real distinction between compilations and soundtracks. please also see Alden Weston's comment at Special:Permalink/127660#Compilations.3F nothing (talk) 17:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

hm, yes, I was not talking about changing the nature of the existing "compilations" section (under "Core discography") but to create another one, where releases like Rock Sound Volume 24 or Maximum Motor would fit. I don't see any other place where to list or include these - but perhaps we don't want to cover them in this wiki at all. MindBoosterNoori (talk) 18:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

ah sorry, now i (seem to) see what you mean. agree, i think we don't need any. the rationale is very simple: the count of such collections is just as big as hell and would just increase in the future if someone adds new (unofficial?) releases just like i did for "The Prodigy" in the past even if those releases were unofficial or even pirate. i would never monitor the updates and mirror them in the wiki at all

on the other hand, it sounds very similar to the bootlegs situation we have. older bootlegs we have on the wiki, unlike those compilations, circulated in the fanbase and were valuable if i understand why the bootleg section was introduced to the wiki at the very beginning (if i recall correctly, it was really introduced much earlier before i made my first edit here). i tend to regret i added more bootlegs recently as i don't see any value of them as they duplicate each other million times. the only reason i added them because it was surprising to see them on the official MM YouTube channel (!), and i guess all of those were transferred to the official channel because of copyright no matter who uploaded them without permission even if there were compilations with Iggy Pop (!). why are other "releases" not there? have no idea. let's keep it all as is nothing (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

 :thumbsup: MindBoosterNoori (talk) 19:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)