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Interview with Daniel Fox
Interview with Daniel Fox
Date	June 9, 2025
Source	The Manson Podcast, ep. 8
Interviewer	Alex Sinclair and Jenna Arkansas

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00:00.000 --> 00:07.500 Hello, everyone, and thank you for listening to the Manson podcast, a podcast dedicated

00:07.500 --> 00:09.280 to the icon Marilyn Manson.

00:09.500 --> 00:14.280 I am your co-host, Alex Sinclair, and I am your other co-host, Jenna Arkansas.

00:15.280 --> 00:20.580 Welcome to episode eight, where we interview Daniel Fox, a former band member of Marilyn

00:20.580 --> 00:21.120 Manson.

00:21.280 --> 00:25.700 He toured with Manson for about six years, so we have a lot to uncover.

00:25.960 --> 00:27.040 So let's get started.

00:30.000 --> 00:43.700 All right, me and Jenna are both sick right now, so we are going through it.

00:43.840 --> 00:47.740 Everybody's like tour blues, and we're like, yeah, tour fucking sick.

00:48.240 --> 00:51.620 I'm sick enough where I sound like a man, like an extra man again.

00:51.620 --> 00:52.940 So all right.

00:52.960 --> 00:57.340 So we have a lot to discuss before we get into the interview with Daniel Fox, which a lot

00:57.340 --> 00:59.140 of people are so excited for.

00:59.140 --> 01:03.920 This is actually our first former band member that we were interviewing, so this is very

01:03.920 --> 01:05.120 exciting for us as well.

01:05.380 --> 01:09.420 Let's get started with the new song with Falling in Reverse, God is a Weapon.

01:10.040 --> 01:11.480 That was a nice little surprise.

01:12.440 --> 01:13.780 That was an excellent surprise.

01:14.620 --> 01:18.260 So God is a Weapon came out May 20th.

01:18.340 --> 01:21.700 I was actually on the way to see Manson in New Orleans.

01:21.800 --> 01:27.860 I was on a plane when that released, and I listened to it on the plane, and I mean, I love

01:27.860 --> 01:28.960 the song instantly.

01:29.120 --> 01:34.120 To be completely honest, I really don't know that much of Falling in Reverse songs, but

01:34.120 --> 01:37.560 I can just tell that that's kind of out of their realm.

01:37.720 --> 01:40.780 Like, do you know more about Falling in Reverse, Jenna?

01:41.340 --> 01:41.740 Okay.

01:41.740 --> 01:50.680 Okay, so I listened to Ronnie when Ronnie was in Escape the Fate, and then, of course, then

01:50.680 --> 01:53.020 he just switched over to Falling in Reverse.

01:53.200 --> 01:59.260 I am a product of Hot Topic, I guess you would say, and that very first Falling in Reverse

01:59.260 --> 02:02.980 album came out while I was working at Hot Topic.

02:02.980 --> 02:08.080 Like, so I listened to a lot, a lot of Falling in Reverse.

02:08.540 --> 02:10.520 I mean, that band was hot at the time.

02:10.740 --> 02:12.940 I still have mad love for that first album.

02:13.240 --> 02:20.960 I will say I don't know much after it, because I feel like some of the genres and stuff changed

02:20.960 --> 02:23.020 in Hot Topic at the time.

02:23.120 --> 02:25.460 But I heavily listened to that first album.

02:25.780 --> 02:27.060 I can still jam that right now.

02:27.060 --> 02:34.740 I wouldn't say that it is anything from that first album, but I know as time went on, I

02:34.740 --> 02:37.640 think Ronnie kind of changed the sound a little bit.

02:38.000 --> 02:40.640 But I mean, it's like a sexy kind of song.

02:40.900 --> 02:41.360 It is.

02:41.420 --> 02:42.600 That's what I thought on the plane.

02:42.680 --> 02:44.700 I was like, damn, I wasn't ready for this.

02:44.960 --> 02:46.280 Yeah, I wasn't expecting that.

02:46.420 --> 02:48.500 Ronnie has got great vocal range.

02:48.700 --> 02:49.460 He always has.

02:49.600 --> 02:56.340 So I feel like we get a really great selection of that in the song, because I mean, he is screaming.

02:56.740 --> 02:58.020 He's got that great.

02:58.140 --> 02:59.180 He has like that falsetto.

02:59.700 --> 03:02.260 Yeah, just like, it's great.

03:02.480 --> 03:08.320 I've seen all the reaction videos, and people were just like shitting their pants when they

03:08.320 --> 03:10.760 saw Manson come on the screen with the video.

03:10.860 --> 03:12.400 I mean, because the video is sick as fuck, too.

03:12.580 --> 03:14.260 They were like freaking the fuck out.

03:14.260 --> 03:22.240 And I mean, it's trending all over everywhere, which I think is amazing for Ronnie and Manson

03:22.240 --> 03:22.660 both.

03:23.200 --> 03:25.440 So speaking of vocals, I just want to touch on this real quick.

03:25.440 --> 03:31.980 Like a lot of Manson fans are loving Manson's vocals on this track because they feel like

03:31.980 --> 03:38.740 it sounds more like him than what we have on One Assassination Under God.

03:38.740 --> 03:42.720 It is very clear that his vocals do sound different on that album.

03:42.720 --> 03:44.960 But I personally love it.

03:45.500 --> 03:51.740 But a lot of the fans feel like that Manson's vocals on God is a Weapon sound more like him.

03:51.900 --> 03:56.580 And everyone's like, whoever produced this track needs to produce Manson's next record.

03:56.580 --> 04:00.080 But we're pretty sure that the record chapter two is already done.

04:00.080 --> 04:03.560 So that's not going to happen.

04:03.680 --> 04:06.520 And also, the music video for this song was incredible.

04:06.900 --> 04:08.600 And it also stars Dana Dentata.

04:08.880 --> 04:11.140 A lot of people don't know who Dana Dentata is.

04:11.540 --> 04:19.620 I actually got introduced to her back in 2019 when she opened up for Marilyn Manson for the

04:19.620 --> 04:21.400 Las Vegas Halloween show.

04:21.760 --> 04:22.500 She was incredible.

04:22.680 --> 04:23.860 I had no idea who she was.

04:23.900 --> 04:24.800 I've never heard of her.

04:25.360 --> 04:26.260 I was front row.

04:26.360 --> 04:28.280 Me and my best friend, we waited all day.

04:28.280 --> 04:33.700 We showed up in line at the Pearl Theater in the Palms at like 7 a.m.

04:34.100 --> 04:35.040 So we were right up front.

04:35.260 --> 04:37.800 And like I said, I've never heard of her before in my life.

04:37.840 --> 04:38.820 And I was blown away.

04:38.900 --> 04:39.500 I loved her.

04:39.600 --> 04:41.500 She has her own thing going on.

04:41.580 --> 04:42.640 She was in a punk band.

04:42.640 --> 04:44.420 And then she kind of got into rap.

04:44.660 --> 04:46.400 I'm not really sure what genre she falls under.

04:46.520 --> 04:49.780 But she has her own thing going on for a while now.

04:49.800 --> 04:51.920 And she's been a friend of Manson's for quite some time.

04:52.720 --> 04:54.440 But so that's who Dana is.

04:54.540 --> 04:56.880 And then Ronnie and Dana got hooked up.

04:56.880 --> 04:58.900 And now it's like they're all together.

04:59.200 --> 04:59.780 You know what I mean?

04:59.820 --> 05:01.480 It's really cool how they're all friends.

05:01.780 --> 05:03.320 And they're all working together.

05:03.700 --> 05:05.000 And Dana's also a model.

05:05.120 --> 05:07.500 She was a model for years when she was younger.

05:07.860 --> 05:09.400 She has a very interesting story.

05:09.600 --> 05:11.520 So anyways, we're going to move on.

05:11.580 --> 05:12.760 That was a nice surprise.

05:13.020 --> 05:14.420 The visuals are insane.

05:14.560 --> 05:15.040 They're great.

05:15.160 --> 05:15.720 They're different.

05:15.940 --> 05:17.280 Not at all what I was expecting.

05:17.540 --> 05:19.180 I was expecting some hardcore track.

05:19.280 --> 05:22.320 But it's like a sexy kind of video and track.

05:22.320 --> 05:25.940 So we got plenty of little Manson Easter eggs.

05:26.000 --> 05:31.200 And I saw something that said everything in that video is very calculated.

05:31.520 --> 05:34.700 Everything they did in it, they did it for a reason.

05:35.000 --> 05:37.840 If you have not checked out that video, take a look at it.

05:38.060 --> 05:42.340 I mean, you ain't got to like, I don't know, 200 feet deep into it.

05:42.380 --> 05:44.220 But it does have some meanings to it.

05:44.300 --> 05:45.640 There's a lot of Manson references.

05:46.300 --> 05:49.000 Dana looking like mechanical animals.

05:49.360 --> 05:50.140 The album cover.

05:50.140 --> 05:54.800 She holds up a mirror that's like a reference to Golden Age of Grotesque.

05:54.960 --> 05:57.220 Ronnie is coming out of the water looking like disposable teens.

05:57.300 --> 05:58.640 I mean, there's a lot of things in there.

05:58.780 --> 06:00.660 So check it out if you haven't already.

06:05.320 --> 06:09.860 So Manson wrapped his spring tour in Dallas, Texas on May 25th.

06:09.920 --> 06:11.660 Me and Jenna were actually there.

06:13.040 --> 06:15.240 Jenna was planning on going the whole time.

06:15.640 --> 06:17.140 Well, not the whole time, but kind of last minute.

06:17.140 --> 06:19.560 And then I decided super last minute to go.

06:20.140 --> 06:21.520 Because that's what we do.

06:21.880 --> 06:22.720 That's what we do.

06:22.980 --> 06:24.860 It was a great show.

06:25.160 --> 06:27.220 I mean, it was very hot.

06:27.520 --> 06:30.060 It was extremely hot.

06:30.380 --> 06:32.340 I tried to tell you that Texas heat was no joke.

06:32.680 --> 06:34.260 Oh my God, it was so hot.

06:34.760 --> 06:38.520 So, and Manson was under these hot stage lights and hot clothes.

06:38.700 --> 06:39.580 I mean, he delivered.

06:39.840 --> 06:40.480 He did great.

06:41.000 --> 06:43.140 We're all just waiting for the fall tour now.

06:43.300 --> 06:44.620 That's going to be coming up.

06:44.620 --> 06:49.020 A lot of people think that he finished early with beautiful people.

06:49.320 --> 06:50.820 None of us know the set list.

06:51.280 --> 06:55.280 So we can't really speak on if he finished early or not.

06:55.360 --> 07:01.000 I could just tell you though that it was very obvious that he was hot.

07:01.360 --> 07:05.720 If you needed a reference of how hot it was, all you needed to do was look at Reba's hair.

07:06.860 --> 07:07.620 She was drenched.

07:07.620 --> 07:13.620 I mean, it was not to mention the people standing around us were drenched.

07:15.020 --> 07:19.280 Yeah, the guy sitting right next to us, I swear on my life, because we showed up late.

07:19.400 --> 07:20.520 We only wanted to see Manson.

07:21.040 --> 07:25.880 So the guy that was sitting right next to us, I'm not even joking, he was completely dry.

07:26.340 --> 07:29.500 And then as soon as Manson started playing, he got really into it.

07:29.500 --> 07:33.380 And he was soaking wet, soaking wet.

07:33.580 --> 07:35.360 But he finished with grace.

07:35.500 --> 07:36.860 He finished strong.

07:37.660 --> 07:40.000 And like I said, we're all just waiting for the fall tour.

07:40.320 --> 07:43.580 And we also got to meet, Colonel Kurtz was there with her sister.

07:43.980 --> 07:48.220 And we also got to meet Lauren, his old assistant, who was awesome.

07:48.500 --> 07:51.160 So it was really cool to see some people there.

07:51.220 --> 07:57.480 So after the show, Jenna and I were able to see Manson after the show for a little bit.

07:57.480 --> 08:01.080 But it would be weird if we didn't address this, because it's all over our social media.

08:01.180 --> 08:03.540 And I know some people want us to talk about it.

08:03.860 --> 08:06.800 We're not going to talk about it too much.

08:06.920 --> 08:10.160 But yes, we got to see Manson, and it was great.

08:10.680 --> 08:13.300 He was very sweet and very kind, and so was Lindsay.

08:14.020 --> 08:15.620 And that's all I'm going to say about that.

08:16.160 --> 08:17.980 That's all I got to say about that.

08:22.380 --> 08:26.240 A lot of people are speculating when Chapter 2 is coming out.

08:26.240 --> 08:30.880 And before we answer this, we do not have any inside information.

08:31.060 --> 08:31.640 I promise.

08:31.840 --> 08:33.120 This is us just speculating.

08:33.600 --> 08:39.360 I've had a lot of people messaging me just like personally about when Chapter 2 is going

08:39.360 --> 08:39.700 to come out.

08:39.900 --> 08:41.320 I have no idea.

08:41.800 --> 08:43.440 I love the element of surprise.

08:44.060 --> 08:46.660 I love when it just randomly gets dropped on me.

08:46.960 --> 08:49.620 I don't like when the tour gets dropped on me out of nowhere.

08:50.060 --> 08:53.460 But as far as the albums go, I don't really care.

08:53.460 --> 08:59.980 I think it would be cool if it came out maybe before the tour starts in the fall.

09:00.220 --> 09:01.780 But I'm not saying that it will.

09:02.100 --> 09:09.120 But it would be cool if it came out just in the thing of he has got a pretty long fall

09:09.120 --> 09:10.720 tour ahead of him.

09:11.120 --> 09:16.160 A lot of people are speculating that it's going to come out before tour because the fall tour

09:16.160 --> 09:18.800 is called One Assassination Under God Tour.

09:18.800 --> 09:24.500 And I feel like the tour that just wrapped was called Manson's Spring One Assassination

09:24.500 --> 09:28.740 Under God Tour or something like that, like Spring Tour or something.

09:29.000 --> 09:30.480 But we don't know.

09:30.880 --> 09:35.920 I think if it doesn't come out before the fall tour, it's going to come out early next year.

09:36.420 --> 09:37.120 I don't know.

09:37.240 --> 09:38.860 But like you said, we like surprises.

09:38.860 --> 09:46.280 I would think because of how long his tour is in the fall, it could come out in the fall.

09:46.440 --> 09:49.740 And it would have to be like early September.

09:50.180 --> 09:54.440 If that doesn't work, if it doesn't come out this year, I think it would be in the fall.

09:54.760 --> 09:57.680 If it doesn't come out in the fall, then I think early next year.

09:57.760 --> 09:59.340 That means more touring next year.

09:59.340 --> 10:05.920 But I could also possibly see him just dropping a couple of singles off of chapter two.

10:06.320 --> 10:06.800 That's true.

10:07.040 --> 10:11.260 And kind of giving those a whirl on the fall tour.

10:11.400 --> 10:13.320 That actually seems more plausible.

10:13.780 --> 10:15.260 This is coming out of my brain.

10:15.460 --> 10:16.980 Didn't hear nothing from anybody.

10:17.240 --> 10:21.640 All I know is the man has always got a calculated way of releasing something.

10:21.940 --> 10:23.100 That actually seems more plausible.

10:23.100 --> 10:32.340 That seems like more of what his style is, is to release some singles and videos before then and then release the album later on.

10:32.580 --> 10:35.000 And that kind of makes more sense.

10:35.360 --> 10:41.840 So maybe a single in September and then the album like early next year or at the very end of this year.

10:42.160 --> 10:43.460 We're all waiting for it.

10:43.520 --> 10:44.540 It's a guessing game.

10:44.980 --> 10:46.620 Yeah, it's seriously a guessing game.

10:46.780 --> 10:52.940 But we're all waiting for it and we're all very excited because that means more videos, more merch, more vinyls.

10:53.380 --> 10:54.300 More tours.

10:54.400 --> 10:55.260 All the things.

10:55.520 --> 10:56.480 Our bank account's hurting.

10:57.860 --> 10:58.440 All right.

10:58.500 --> 11:02.380 So since we're talking about tour, let's not forget, and we've been talking about it a lot,

11:02.480 --> 11:08.640 his fall tour officially kicks off on September 20th at the Roxian Theater in Pittsburgh.

11:09.580 --> 11:11.860 But before then, he does have some festival dates.

11:11.860 --> 11:13.740 And I did fuck up the last episode.

11:13.900 --> 11:18.540 I said that his tour starts in Louisville, which, I mean, he does have a date there, but it's a festival.

11:18.540 --> 11:25.820 So the first solo show for Manson is September 20th at the Roxian Theater in Pittsburgh.

11:26.240 --> 11:30.980 And I think it's on the verge, if it's not already, I think it's on the verge of selling out.

11:31.100 --> 11:39.760 We're planning on going to, as of right now, I'm sure we might add more, is we're for sure going to Denver September 25th.

11:39.760 --> 11:41.920 Yes, we'll be in Denver.

11:42.580 --> 11:48.320 And I know a lot of you guys were definitely great about coming and seeing us at the New Orleans show.

11:48.460 --> 11:55.840 We didn't get to really meet as many of you in Dallas just because it was such a last minute kind of thing.

11:55.840 --> 12:02.300 But I did want to thank everybody that gave out flyers for us at the shows.

12:02.660 --> 12:11.280 I know we had Frank gave out flyers with his wife and his amazing daughter at the Philly show.

12:11.440 --> 12:11.840 We have Doris.

12:12.660 --> 12:15.080 A Doris from the Marilyn Manson cult.

12:15.320 --> 12:17.500 She handed out flyers for us.

12:17.660 --> 12:17.960 What was it?

12:17.980 --> 12:19.420 Myrtle Beach and Charlotte.

12:19.920 --> 12:21.040 I think so, yeah.

12:21.200 --> 12:21.580 Yes.

12:21.580 --> 12:25.540 And then we also had Carla that handed out for us in Atlanta.

12:26.420 --> 12:32.440 And then I was able to actually personally hand flyers to give out to Donovan.

12:33.220 --> 12:37.100 I got to give those to him in New Orleans that he handed out in Houston.

12:37.500 --> 12:41.000 So thank you guys so much for doing that.

12:41.220 --> 12:44.140 That just helps us get the word out a little bit more.

12:44.380 --> 12:50.140 And obviously we can't go to every single show, but we appreciate you guys so much handing those out.

12:50.140 --> 12:53.340 Yeah, we definitely gained a lot of followers because of that.

12:53.400 --> 12:54.140 So thank you guys.

12:54.360 --> 13:04.640 Also, when we got to see Manson in Dallas after his show, which was his final show, me and Jenna were able to give him this flag that I had made, custom made.

13:04.780 --> 13:08.800 And a lot of people have questions about this flag, which I'll get into in a second.

13:08.800 --> 13:18.020 But a lot of you guys took pictures with this flag in Grand Rapids, in New Orleans, and in Rockville, and Daytona.

13:18.240 --> 13:19.320 And we were able to give it to him.

13:19.360 --> 13:21.000 And it's a custom made flag.

13:21.180 --> 13:22.060 It's all black.

13:22.100 --> 13:24.200 And it says, you cannot kill Marilyn Manson.

13:24.660 --> 13:26.600 And in the middle is the shock symbol.

13:26.940 --> 13:30.440 Like I said, a lot of people have questions about this flag and where they can get it.

13:30.500 --> 13:32.660 I got it custom made from a website.

13:32.660 --> 13:36.820 The website itself is called Anley.

13:37.060 --> 13:39.680 It's A-N-L-E-Y.com.

13:39.960 --> 13:42.640 I mean, obviously, they don't have it on there to order.

13:43.100 --> 13:45.520 I custom made it, so you'll have to custom make it.

13:45.620 --> 13:46.740 It was a great flag.

13:46.820 --> 13:48.020 And a lot of people enjoyed it.

13:48.080 --> 13:49.560 And Manson very much enjoyed it.

13:49.600 --> 13:55.140 And I was very happy to give that to him because, like I said, a lot of his fans took pictures with it.

13:55.380 --> 13:56.260 It's a great flag.

13:56.360 --> 14:00.460 It obviously means a lot because Manson's been through everything.

14:00.460 --> 14:05.820 And it's very obvious that you cannot get this guy down or cancel him or any of that.

14:06.540 --> 14:09.060 So that is the info on the flag.

14:09.660 --> 14:15.000 So I'm going to get into some facts about Daniel Fox before we interview him real fast.

14:15.560 --> 14:17.540 So Daniel is from Cleveland, Ohio.

14:17.860 --> 14:19.000 He is born and raised there.

14:19.040 --> 14:20.540 And he still lives there.

14:20.760 --> 14:22.640 And he's multi-talented.

14:23.080 --> 14:28.140 He plays a ton of different instruments, keyboard, guitar, drums.

14:28.140 --> 14:31.720 He's also a tech, an instrument tech on tour.

14:31.940 --> 14:34.660 I mean, I feel like this guy is kind of a jack-of-all-trades.

14:34.740 --> 14:35.740 He's very talented.

14:36.320 --> 14:50.060 Some bands he has played for besides Marilyn Manson are Dope, Mushroomhead, Wednesday 13, Twisted, Cyclone 9, Ventata, A Killer's Confession, and Crossbreed.

14:50.060 --> 14:55.140 And he has drum teched for Mudvayne, Static X, and Rob Zombie.

14:55.780 --> 14:59.180 I mean, that's a huge lineup right there.

14:59.380 --> 15:00.520 This guy is always busy.

15:00.700 --> 15:03.640 So we're very grateful that he made some time for us.

15:03.700 --> 15:07.680 And I think he is on tour right now as we speak when he's doing this interview.

15:07.760 --> 15:09.200 He's on tour with someone right now.

15:09.480 --> 15:13.420 So he was with Manson from 2012 and 2018.

15:13.420 --> 15:19.380 Now, that is six years of Manson touring a ton.

15:20.200 --> 15:25.520 So just to kind of break it down so people might recognize the tours that you might have seen him on,

15:25.780 --> 15:29.340 that is the born villain to Heaven Upside Down era.

15:29.820 --> 15:32.600 So he was in those album cycles during tour.

15:33.280 --> 15:34.740 I know I saw him a bunch.

15:35.100 --> 15:38.220 Like I said, Manson toured a lot during those six years.

15:38.500 --> 15:40.620 So we have some questions for Mr. Daniel Fox.

15:40.620 --> 15:43.840 One thing that I also want to bring up real fast,

15:44.260 --> 15:48.440 and we talked about this while I was asking him just some information.

15:48.960 --> 15:50.340 He's going to talk about this further.

15:50.540 --> 15:57.900 What I find super interesting is that Daniel Fox was a Manson fan when he was a child.

15:58.320 --> 16:03.420 So he got to play for one of his heroes and one of his biggest influences.

16:04.060 --> 16:05.900 So that's super awesome.

16:05.900 --> 16:10.280 And I cannot wait to get into that because that's very special.

16:10.620 --> 16:13.520 And like I said, he'll probably discuss this further.

16:14.080 --> 16:23.640 According to Daniel, he saw Manson's Lunchbox music video on Headbangers Ball on MTV at the age of eight years old

16:23.640 --> 16:29.440 because he was waiting for Kiss, but instead he saw a Manson video.

16:29.720 --> 16:30.880 We'll get into that more.

16:30.880 --> 16:38.440 I'm just so excited because it's like a fan growing up, you know, living out his dream for playing with one of his biggest idols.

16:38.920 --> 16:42.500 So, okay, let's try to get Daniel Fox on the phone here.

16:42.500 --> 16:51.780 First of all, thank you for joining the Manson podcast, Daniel Fox.

16:52.900 --> 16:53.780 Absolutely honored.

16:54.160 --> 16:54.600 Love it.

16:54.620 --> 16:56.380 Let's get in to the first question.

16:56.480 --> 17:02.240 Tell us a little bit about yourself, where you're from, and what got you into becoming a musician.

17:03.400 --> 17:03.800 Okay.

17:03.800 --> 17:29.600 How did that make you feel seeing the Lunchbox music video for the first time?

17:29.600 --> 17:34.700 It just, like, it just made me want to pursue actually doing this.

17:34.860 --> 17:41.600 There's something about the way they look, the song, a package that it sold me as a little kid.

17:41.720 --> 17:45.540 Like, this is what you're going to do for the rest of your life in some way or another.

17:45.720 --> 17:53.340 I know you mentioned Kiss and Glamrock as some of your musical influences, but what other influences do you have?

17:53.340 --> 17:57.760 Funny enough, with Jordy, I always loved Striper growing up.

17:58.300 --> 18:03.660 Like, that was, I was born in 85, so I kind of, I had my uncle who, like, passed out of stuff.

18:04.120 --> 18:06.900 That's how I watched Headbangers Ball so much growing up as a kid.

18:07.160 --> 18:10.500 So, how I caught Manson, and that's what, like, what is the band?

18:10.580 --> 18:11.200 I loved it.

18:11.300 --> 18:13.860 Like, is that just a girl or a guy?

18:14.000 --> 18:15.740 Like, it was just, it was so rad.

18:15.920 --> 18:18.400 Scott's guitar playing, it was just so cool.

18:18.600 --> 18:20.300 This was a huge question from the fans.

18:21.000 --> 18:23.620 How did the opportunity of playing with Manson come about?

18:23.740 --> 18:28.500 It came through when I got to go out at the drum tech forum and run playback and all that stuff.

18:28.940 --> 18:30.380 I was on school at Muscle at the time.

18:31.000 --> 18:32.160 I wanted to get out of that camp.

18:32.520 --> 18:34.320 I saw that routine and what was going on.

18:34.380 --> 18:36.680 I was like, hey, do you want a drum tech for Marilla Manson?

18:36.820 --> 18:38.680 I'm like, are you fucking with me?

18:39.680 --> 18:41.840 And I'm like, yeah, I would love to.

18:41.840 --> 18:45.720 So, a couple months went by, and it came about, and I got hired.

18:46.060 --> 18:47.820 Like, our first show was in Minnesota.

18:47.820 --> 18:54.420 Then, a couple weeks later, we went to Russia, and I totally lied about going to the rigs

18:54.420 --> 18:54.880 and everything.

18:55.260 --> 18:57.820 That led a couple tours later down the line.

18:58.380 --> 19:02.540 So, one day, him and Manson were talking about the show or something.

19:02.660 --> 19:05.540 He mentioned that I played drums, and we were in Germany.

19:06.260 --> 19:11.140 So, we're doing the group band soundcheck, and we're playing Antichrist, and I'm playing

19:11.140 --> 19:11.500 drums.

19:11.600 --> 19:14.120 And later that night, Manson goes, I saw you playing drums.

19:14.120 --> 19:17.280 So, after that, he's like, why don't you just play drums for me?

19:17.560 --> 19:19.080 So, I guess things weren't working out.

19:19.820 --> 19:23.380 So, I was supposed to play drums at the 2014.

19:23.680 --> 19:26.100 I get my ears mixed up, but I tour a lot and all that.

19:26.320 --> 19:26.440 Yeah.

19:26.960 --> 19:28.180 But that was supposed to happen.

19:28.360 --> 19:31.180 But then, he met Tyler, and he brought Gil along.

19:31.340 --> 19:32.320 I understand it now.

19:32.420 --> 19:37.100 He's so much in the center, but I seen him recently, and the show was fucking, it was

19:37.100 --> 19:38.200 phenomenal in Detroit.

19:38.440 --> 19:40.100 So, you did see him live recently?

19:40.100 --> 19:44.380 Yeah, I played Get Your Gun, and I was with my girl, and I took off into the pit, and

19:44.380 --> 19:46.320 it was just like, this sounds so good.

19:46.380 --> 19:47.980 The drums are fucking so good.

19:48.540 --> 19:51.220 The saxophone sounds are there.

19:51.380 --> 19:53.040 Like, this fucking rules.

19:53.880 --> 19:58.580 Okay, so when you're on the road with Manson, and it's a day of a show, what does that typically

19:58.580 --> 19:59.480 look like?

20:00.920 --> 20:05.640 Set everything up, get it all ready to go, change drum heads, polish cymbals, fix the

20:05.640 --> 20:08.160 broken kick drums that somebody broke the night before.

20:08.460 --> 20:08.720 Oh.

20:10.100 --> 20:13.880 And some techs would be, like, so sick of fucking fixing these kicks, and I'm like,

20:13.980 --> 20:15.060 this rules.

20:15.600 --> 20:18.800 Like, I'm pulling a microphone stand out of the inner shell of a kick.

20:18.980 --> 20:20.060 This is fucking hilarious.

20:20.420 --> 20:22.060 Like, why are you mad?

20:22.900 --> 20:24.520 But that would be it.

20:24.580 --> 20:28.640 Like, fix stuff, and then they would come in, rock through a song, and then wait for

20:28.640 --> 20:30.800 set change, and do the show.

20:30.960 --> 20:32.960 So is it a lot of waiting around?

20:33.620 --> 20:34.960 So much waiting around.

20:35.160 --> 20:39.720 Yeah, it's so much downtime with that, because they take care of their crew.

20:39.720 --> 20:42.940 That's what I'll always tell anyone that asks, like, A1.

20:43.040 --> 20:45.560 Like, we had the best hotels, like, the best food.

20:45.680 --> 20:50.280 Like, he looked out for his crew, and it was really rad, because a lot of bands don't.

20:50.320 --> 20:52.240 They don't care, and here's what you get.

20:52.300 --> 20:53.680 But he always cared about his crew.

20:54.160 --> 20:57.060 And that's super important for any, you know what I mean?

20:57.120 --> 20:58.000 Just doing it right.

20:58.000 --> 20:59.500 Yeah, absolutely.

21:00.120 --> 21:03.640 Yeah, because obviously, we all know the dude gets a bad rap all the time.

21:03.720 --> 21:10.080 It's like, if you only really knew that he does and cares about, like, normally, like,

21:10.140 --> 21:13.920 on a tour where it's, say, you're the drum tech, you don't really have that much interaction

21:13.920 --> 21:17.040 with your artists that you work for, especially the lead singer of the band.

21:17.080 --> 21:19.120 But that dude, like, always made me feel welcome.

21:19.880 --> 21:23.480 He never made me feel, like, out of the circle, because I loved his band.

21:23.480 --> 21:25.860 And he, like, he, like, I just ruled.

21:26.000 --> 21:29.020 He was treating me so good, and just didn't judge me.

21:29.060 --> 21:30.280 I'm, like, really liking his band.

21:30.380 --> 21:33.280 You know, I was like, well, Daniel will know what this is.

21:33.420 --> 21:37.380 And, like, being in rehearsal with his knowledge on things, he would hear shit and call it out

21:37.380 --> 21:39.080 that I would do, like, some of the keyboard stuff.

21:39.540 --> 21:42.120 Like, Angel with the Scab, where he's missing this, this, this, this.

21:42.160 --> 21:43.600 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

21:44.200 --> 21:46.380 Then I listen back, and I'm like, holy shit, he's right.

21:47.040 --> 21:47.360 Fuck.

21:48.240 --> 21:52.540 Everything I feel is out there on the internet about Manson, but there's a couple things.

21:52.540 --> 21:55.180 Him doing sound checks, you know what I mean?

21:55.240 --> 21:56.100 And, like, recording.

21:57.200 --> 21:58.160 That's not out there.

21:58.280 --> 22:01.740 And that was one of my questions, and you kind of answered it, was how is he, like, to

22:01.740 --> 22:03.060 work musically with?

22:03.460 --> 22:06.700 And, because I want to know, like, what that process is like.

22:07.040 --> 22:08.400 But you kind of just talked about it.

22:09.080 --> 22:09.800 Yeah, yeah.

22:10.000 --> 22:12.520 Like I said, his ear is really good, and he remembers.

22:12.720 --> 22:16.700 Like, he was, even though he was a period where he was drinking a lot and doing what he

22:16.700 --> 22:18.760 did, but he was still on point.

22:18.840 --> 22:19.520 Like, he cared.

22:19.520 --> 22:24.020 That's like, it comes down to the dude cared about his music and how it sounded, but a

22:24.020 --> 22:24.860 lot of people don't.

22:24.960 --> 22:28.760 They're like, all right, we'll just get up there and do it, and that's why I admire it,

22:28.800 --> 22:32.920 and I still love it to this day, because you go to see the band, and there's still a show.

22:33.240 --> 22:33.560 Right.

22:34.360 --> 22:36.220 And that's, I love that.

22:36.340 --> 22:38.020 Same with Zombie and all that.

22:38.080 --> 22:38.760 Even Alex Cooper.

22:39.080 --> 22:41.540 Like, it's all still a show, and they give a fuck.

22:41.540 --> 22:45.660 Is there a specific performance that stands out to you during your time with Manson, or

22:45.660 --> 22:47.780 just an overall favorite memory?

22:48.980 --> 22:53.240 Probably when we went to Cincinnati, and my grandma got to come out, and I was doing the

22:53.240 --> 22:54.680 keyboard thing on the Flipknot Tour.

22:55.040 --> 22:55.360 Uh-huh.

22:55.460 --> 22:59.460 It was, like, kind of full circle, because he had taken me to see him in 95 at the Odeon.

22:59.600 --> 23:01.500 Like, kind of got me into this mess.

23:01.900 --> 23:01.980 Oh.

23:01.980 --> 23:06.460 It was cool to, like, be on stage with him and have Quiggy right there and have him, and

23:06.460 --> 23:08.000 just, it was really cool for her to see that.

23:08.000 --> 23:10.700 Oh, so that was, like, a full circle moment.

23:11.120 --> 23:11.680 That's amazing.

23:11.920 --> 23:12.720 Totally, totally.

23:13.100 --> 23:18.540 You know, back in the 90s, like, it was kind of like, you weren't allowed to do that, and

23:18.540 --> 23:19.740 people, you'd always get questioned.

23:19.820 --> 23:24.660 Like, we were on the news from when Antichrist came to, and April, sorry, Dead of the World

23:24.660 --> 23:27.320 Tour came to our arena in Cleveland.

23:27.320 --> 23:30.080 We were on the news, like, how are you going to take your kid to see this?

23:30.680 --> 23:32.080 He's going to go, he's going to be fine.

23:32.180 --> 23:36.900 The protester was trying to offer, like, three times the ticket value to burn our tickets for

23:36.900 --> 23:40.380 the show and have me not go, and she's on there, like, defending it, and she always

23:40.380 --> 23:42.060 defended him, so it was cool, you know?

23:42.300 --> 23:47.680 And he treated her so good when she came out, like, so good, like, went above and beyond.

23:47.780 --> 23:51.320 That's the thing, too, it's like, I was getting too early about this being a drum tech, like,

23:51.360 --> 23:55.020 you're not, you usually don't have that interaction with your artists that you work for.

23:55.260 --> 23:55.540 Right.

23:55.540 --> 24:03.240 And that dude always went above and beyond, like, a true gentleman, and that's why I got so

24:03.240 --> 24:04.260 much love for that guy.

24:04.540 --> 24:04.860 Aww.

24:04.860 --> 24:06.840 He didn't, he never owed me shit.

24:07.140 --> 24:09.680 That dude would tell me, like, well, the dude's told you're going to be his drummer, you know,

24:09.680 --> 24:12.120 I was like, it doesn't matter, that dude doesn't owe me shit.

24:12.500 --> 24:17.900 Like, he did so much, and, like, we'd be in L.A., like, I would do, like, help pick

24:17.900 --> 24:21.060 him up some nights when he was done recording with Tyler around, like, the Pale Emperor,

24:21.660 --> 24:24.940 and I was going through, like, bad times, like, he just talked about stuff, and he would

24:24.940 --> 24:28.100 sit there and talk about stuff, and I'd, like, just be, like, a dude with dudes, like,

24:28.940 --> 24:32.740 this guy should be, he has enough shit on his plate, and he's taking time out of his

24:32.740 --> 24:36.120 day to talk to me about my life, like, that's a friend, you know?

24:36.240 --> 24:41.680 These are very important stories I feel like people to hear, so it's amazing you have all

24:41.680 --> 24:43.360 of these experiences with him.

24:43.480 --> 24:47.100 Even just a small glimpse of hearing this is amazing.

24:47.400 --> 24:47.940 Right on.

24:48.300 --> 24:53.880 Yeah, I just, I just, I can't say enough about my experience with the band and him, you know?

24:54.580 --> 24:57.980 And Twiggy, too, he knew, like, because, like, everyone always compared me, like, well, you

24:57.980 --> 25:02.960 look like Pogo, and Twiggy's like, of course I do, like, that's my shit, like, I, that's

25:02.960 --> 25:05.900 what I learned, and that was the other thing with makeup, it's, like, I didn't know how

25:05.900 --> 25:06.380 to do makeup.

25:06.640 --> 25:09.760 When I played Mushroom Red, we wore a mask, and I got to be on stage, I'm like, I don't

25:09.760 --> 25:13.580 know what I'm doing, and he, like, would show me how to do makeup, and I'm like, the

25:13.580 --> 25:17.840 dude's showing you how to do makeup, this is fucking wild, like, I was, it's just,

25:18.240 --> 25:21.360 looking back at it now, because that's the other thing, too, like, I wanted to get

25:21.360 --> 25:26.120 across with my message, like, so, I took it for granted sometimes, I was, like, just,

25:26.660 --> 25:29.740 when I didn't get the drummer gig, it's, like, I just, you know what I mean, just, I act

25:29.740 --> 25:36.540 like an intolerable child sometimes, which kind of led to, like, when I exited my time

25:36.540 --> 25:41.540 from him, was because of that, you know, I was just being a little, little prick, ungrateful

25:41.540 --> 25:46.960 little prick, I'm a little older, I can acknowledge that, yeah, maybe you would have been the drummer

25:46.960 --> 25:50.680 by now, because we went through a couple other dudes, and that's always my dream to play

25:50.680 --> 25:55.360 drums, I'm happy, I love the songs, I love playing, even, I get to tour with so many

25:55.360 --> 26:00.180 bands, and a lot of my favorite bands, I'm very grateful for that, but nothing feels like

26:00.180 --> 26:04.660 playing, like, a foldable team, like, that shit's so fun to play on drums, but maybe I

26:04.660 --> 26:08.480 would have been there if I would have had a better disposition of myself, and not being,

26:08.480 --> 26:14.180 like, a little, a diva, you know, and it goes back to, with, like, being mad at Silo, or

26:14.180 --> 26:18.380 for having, like, coming in, it's like, things change, because when I was at Buster Met, you

26:18.380 --> 26:22.720 just had your spot, and you were kind of there, and I was, you're just, like, territorial,

26:22.920 --> 26:26.260 you're there, like, people come in and out of the music business, and it's, I learned

26:26.260 --> 26:29.760 that it's okay, it's like, be grateful for the time you have, you know?

26:30.020 --> 26:33.340 Yeah, there's a lot of fans that wrote in and said that they miss you, though.

26:34.180 --> 26:34.880 Oh, right on.

26:35.060 --> 26:41.280 I was gonna say, you had a very big impact, because we had a ton of questions from people,

26:41.280 --> 26:45.960 even at the shows that me and Alex just went to, people were very excited, because they

26:45.960 --> 26:52.980 saw that you were gonna be on, and they have had so much excitement, people are gonna freak

26:52.980 --> 26:54.540 on this episode, for sure.

26:54.700 --> 26:55.660 That's, that's ragged.

26:55.720 --> 27:00.240 I bet my best friend, like, that I play in with my band, Ventana, is Rick, he used to

27:00.240 --> 27:05.200 be a much better, well, Stitch, and we, we bonded over Marilyn Manson, like, we, it's

27:05.200 --> 27:07.820 like a universal thing, like, oh, you fuck up Marilyn Manson?

27:07.900 --> 27:08.220 Word.

27:08.480 --> 27:12.960 Me too, and we were on this last, I played for this band called The Killer's Confession, which

27:12.960 --> 27:17.720 is Wailing Formally and Mushroom Head, and we were on this last tour, and their van broke

27:17.720 --> 27:23.160 down, so they came, all came on our RV for the last two weeks of it, and then the drummer

27:23.160 --> 27:26.900 quit, so I'm filling in, and they lost another guy, but we're, like, listening to Portrait

27:26.900 --> 27:32.740 of American Family, pushing through this, like, most treacherous tour of fucking 21 years

27:32.740 --> 27:37.240 of doing this, but we're rocking out the Get Your Gun all head-banging, like, we're all

27:37.240 --> 27:38.280 fucking Manson kids.

27:38.520 --> 27:40.400 That song really does hit.

27:40.520 --> 27:41.880 It really does.

27:41.880 --> 27:46.060 It was so good, I remember when he first started playing, when Nick, Gil, and Tyler,

27:46.500 --> 27:50.180 and Paul were in the band, he, like, you know, if I want to play Get Your Gun, but I don't

27:50.180 --> 27:53.880 have the samples, I'm like, dude, I'll figure it out for you, like, I could hit him on time,

27:53.940 --> 27:54.980 he's like, you think you could do it?

27:55.320 --> 27:59.940 I'm like, dude, when we did it in, uh, it wasn't Amsterdam, somewhere in the Netherlands,

28:00.180 --> 28:04.000 I think, but it was the first night, I'm, like, up there hitting the samples.

28:04.140 --> 28:06.080 We only did it a couple nights on that tour.

28:06.620 --> 28:06.860 Okay.

28:06.860 --> 28:11.480 Yeah, it was, it was a rarity, but I was like, that song was so important, like, even to this

28:11.480 --> 28:15.760 day, you could replace talk show commentary with social media commentaries, and it still

28:15.760 --> 28:17.700 works, but it's, it's so hard.

28:17.960 --> 28:22.260 And hearing them play it at the Detroit show is like, I couldn't stand there anymore, like,

28:22.280 --> 28:26.100 I gotta run down in the pit, like, I'm gonna, I gotta go play drums, and if I break my ankle,

28:26.100 --> 28:26.780 I break my ankle.

28:28.780 --> 28:33.940 So then I got in there, I'm like, holy shit, it's been a couple years.

28:35.460 --> 28:39.860 This is like a, I'm, I'm alright with this, but it's getting concerning a little bit, oh, God.

28:39.960 --> 28:40.280 Right?

28:40.580 --> 28:40.880 Yep.

28:41.520 --> 28:45.980 And we were just at the venue in Grand Rapids last night that he just played, where the

28:45.980 --> 28:46.780 fire alarm went off.

28:46.800 --> 28:47.460 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

28:47.460 --> 28:51.320 We were talking about it, because I seen, like, my case, I still rock Nansen stickers on

28:51.320 --> 28:51.880 them and stuff.

28:52.460 --> 28:52.720 Aw.

28:52.740 --> 28:56.080 They were great, it was like, it came through, it was awesome, like, yeah, they're good.

28:56.100 --> 28:56.300 Great.

28:56.560 --> 29:00.620 And when he called me when he was sober, for the first time, like, I thought it was a

29:00.620 --> 29:04.560 joke, because I'm used to, like, the accent thing, like, what do you do when it'll go?

29:05.540 --> 29:07.420 And he was like, hey, dude, what's going on?

29:07.460 --> 29:08.700 And I was like, hey.

29:09.260 --> 29:10.160 And he's like, hey, it's Nansen.

29:10.300 --> 29:13.420 And I'm like, uh, he's like, I'm sober now.

29:13.480 --> 29:18.300 And I was like, holy shit, it is, because you hear the voice, it's like, and we talked,

29:18.360 --> 29:23.900 and I hear this dude in the background talking, and it's like, yo, man, people love you,

29:23.900 --> 29:25.960 you're the Antichrist, you're the Antichrist, man.

29:25.960 --> 29:28.300 And he's like, who are you talking to on the phone?

29:28.940 --> 29:29.920 I'm like, my friend Daniel.

29:29.980 --> 29:31.040 And he's like, what up, Daniel?

29:31.540 --> 29:32.680 And it was fucking Kanye.

29:33.180 --> 29:34.360 Oh my god.

29:35.000 --> 29:35.320 Yeah.

29:35.660 --> 29:39.680 He was in Germany with them, and he's like, just called me to, like, catch up on stuff.

29:40.420 --> 29:44.080 And I'm like, my girlfriend came home, and she's like, is, what the, are you all right?

29:44.140 --> 29:44.820 Somebody die?

29:44.860 --> 29:49.320 I'm like, well, I'm sober, and Kanye West said hello to me.

29:50.280 --> 29:54.020 I immediately went down to the drum kit and started playing, like, because I play a lot

29:54.020 --> 29:59.420 of hip-hop, the drums, I love hip-hop, and just started playing Kanye tracks.

29:59.940 --> 30:05.000 When I get ready for dope every night, I wear the makeup similar to, like, the Manson stuff,

30:05.660 --> 30:06.240 because I love it.

30:06.240 --> 30:10.060 It's just part of my personality, and I just, I love it, and I just love doing that.

30:10.060 --> 30:15.100 But I get ready to hip-hop, like we used to do on the Manson tours, just loud, loud hip-hop.

30:16.140 --> 30:19.660 Because everyone always asks me, like, oh, why are you just doing your Manson thing, like,

30:19.760 --> 30:20.420 deal with those guys?

30:20.460 --> 30:24.720 I'm like, I just ripped off Twinkies makeup, because when I was doing the Slipknot tour,

30:25.600 --> 30:29.940 doing the keyboard thing and the fake percussion, but drum tech and for gills still.

30:30.420 --> 30:33.820 So I was, like, doing double duty, so I only have, like, a couple minutes to get ready.

30:34.340 --> 30:36.940 It's like, the easiest way to do this is just to rip off Twinkies makeup.

30:36.940 --> 30:38.460 And I asked someone, like, do you care?

30:38.540 --> 30:40.000 He's like, no, I don't care at all.

30:40.380 --> 30:42.860 And that was why I always did that style makeup.

30:43.300 --> 30:45.200 So you don't have to talk about this if you don't want to,

30:45.260 --> 30:48.620 but can you tell us about what happened in Texas when you were on tour with Manson?

30:48.740 --> 30:49.120 Oh, yeah.

30:49.320 --> 30:53.260 I thought I was, like, fired, like, going to have to find the job and all this shit.

30:53.360 --> 30:54.140 So here's the story.

30:54.200 --> 30:55.120 We played the Denver.

30:55.860 --> 30:57.700 The show, like, didn't go so well.

30:58.060 --> 30:59.520 Like, nothing, we were all, everything was all good,

30:59.600 --> 31:04.380 but an old tour buddy brought us, like, these jars, like, of mad, like, dank weed.

31:04.380 --> 31:09.300 So we're all, we're going from Denver to San Antonio for a day off,

31:09.340 --> 31:10.700 then the Aztec theater show.

31:11.160 --> 31:13.740 We finally get to there after this long drive,

31:13.800 --> 31:16.820 because we had two drivers that, so we could continuously do it,

31:16.880 --> 31:17.560 and I had to stop.

31:18.540 --> 31:21.220 So after 19 hours, we get there, about to go,

31:21.340 --> 31:22.380 we find a little blunt.

31:22.460 --> 31:24.780 I'm talking about the most minuscule, like, pathetic,

31:24.940 --> 31:27.780 like, end-of-the-night blunt, roach, smoking.

31:27.780 --> 31:32.980 Like, this fucking cop on a mountain bike rolls up,

31:33.400 --> 31:35.520 and I, like, try to throw it and, like, go out,

31:35.700 --> 31:37.780 run way up into the hotel entrance,

31:38.240 --> 31:40.660 throw this bike down, slams me on the ground,

31:40.840 --> 31:44.080 handcuffs all this deal, like, tell him what I'm doing.

31:44.160 --> 31:44.980 Like, dude, I'm going to smoke weed.

31:45.020 --> 31:46.880 I'm sorry, I didn't know it was illegal here, yada, yada, yada.

31:47.460 --> 31:49.780 They booked me, put me in this fucking van

31:49.780 --> 31:50.860 where I could have broken my neck.

31:50.900 --> 31:52.980 Did you see the videos where they don't strap you in?

31:53.200 --> 31:53.560 Yeah.

31:53.660 --> 31:53.980 Yes.

31:53.980 --> 31:56.320 Not strapped in.

31:56.800 --> 31:58.800 It's funny enough, they're, like, playing Terrible Lie,

31:58.880 --> 32:00.320 like, on the radio by 90s.

32:00.560 --> 32:03.360 We're over railroad tracks, and I'm not strapped in,

32:03.420 --> 32:04.600 so thankfully nothing happened to me.

32:05.100 --> 32:06.800 But I'm in there for 19 hours

32:06.800 --> 32:08.440 through a fucking blunt, roach.

32:09.200 --> 32:12.320 And they're literally fingerprinting my hands

32:12.320 --> 32:13.760 to beautiful people, because they, like,

32:13.980 --> 32:15.940 found my laminates on me, and that's what I'm doing.

32:16.120 --> 32:17.980 Like, in town, I work for a band, blah, blah, blah,

32:17.980 --> 32:19.380 so I'm getting fingerprinted to that.

32:19.720 --> 32:21.400 The dude next to me in the jail cell

32:21.400 --> 32:23.260 had stabbed his girlfriend in the stomach.

32:23.980 --> 32:26.180 The other dude, some, I don't know what was going on.

32:26.380 --> 32:27.380 Oh, my God.

32:27.460 --> 32:30.260 So we're in there, so I had to call this thing

32:30.260 --> 32:33.280 and memorize this number to the pay phone,

32:33.400 --> 32:35.560 run to the pay phone, then type in this other number.

32:35.660 --> 32:36.620 So I'm, like, freaking out.

32:37.240 --> 32:38.600 I got a hold of my girlfriend,

32:38.880 --> 32:40.420 which will be over, Shane,

32:40.560 --> 32:43.040 who was a Manson's, like, wardrobe assistant dude

32:43.040 --> 32:45.180 at the time, who was, like, my brother for life.

32:45.180 --> 32:47.120 When I talk about beating friends for Manson,

32:47.200 --> 32:49.660 like, my life would have been different

32:49.660 --> 32:51.100 not meeting my homie still.

32:51.540 --> 32:52.260 Oh, yeah.

32:52.260 --> 32:53.140 I do so much.

32:53.820 --> 32:56.060 But he gets me bailed out with M.

32:57.080 --> 32:58.780 And I think I'm getting fired.

32:58.840 --> 33:00.020 Like, no, you're not getting fired.

33:00.140 --> 33:00.960 You're getting raised.

33:01.060 --> 33:01.840 Like, that's funny.

33:01.980 --> 33:03.680 So then the fucking show happens,

33:04.080 --> 33:06.240 and I see our production manager

33:06.240 --> 33:07.920 walk up with, like, a Kinko's box

33:07.920 --> 33:09.320 and hand, like, these,

33:09.580 --> 33:11.060 a stack of my 8x10.

33:11.420 --> 33:12.780 That's what led to the 8x10.

33:13.240 --> 33:14.220 I had to bring him weed,

33:14.220 --> 33:15.200 and then he said,

33:15.300 --> 33:17.440 fuck the police with a bunch of off-duty cops

33:17.440 --> 33:18.820 that went to our production manager.

33:18.940 --> 33:20.040 Like, yeah, there's going to be repercussions

33:20.040 --> 33:20.720 for that shit.

33:22.240 --> 33:23.500 Then it gets even better.

33:23.580 --> 33:24.660 It gets even better.

33:24.920 --> 33:26.700 On the same stage of that show,

33:27.080 --> 33:28.600 there was a little room,

33:29.180 --> 33:29.880 because some of us,

33:29.960 --> 33:30.960 we're mad stoners.

33:31.060 --> 33:32.240 Like, that's all I do is smoke weed.

33:33.040 --> 33:33.500 Like, I,

33:33.700 --> 33:35.200 it's been six years since I drank.

33:35.200 --> 33:35.840 I stopped drinking,

33:36.080 --> 33:37.180 but I love smoking weed.

33:37.240 --> 33:38.120 I'll never give it up.

33:38.840 --> 33:40.160 So, we see this room.

33:40.260 --> 33:40.660 We're like, all right,

33:40.660 --> 33:41.460 we're going to pop over there.

33:41.520 --> 33:42.300 We're going to smoke weed.

33:42.900 --> 33:43.800 We shut the door.

33:44.160 --> 33:45.120 Our other homie's like,

33:45.180 --> 33:46.280 yo, you fucking idiots.

33:46.380 --> 33:47.920 That's a cop outside the door right now.

33:47.960 --> 33:48.900 You've got to put this shit out,

33:49.020 --> 33:49.880 and I'll let you know

33:49.880 --> 33:50.660 when you're good to go.

33:51.460 --> 33:51.780 So,

33:52.600 --> 33:53.660 we get out of there.

33:53.820 --> 33:55.200 My one guy runs left.

33:55.300 --> 33:56.220 I go straight,

33:56.380 --> 33:56.900 and of course,

33:56.960 --> 33:58.140 there's a giant 8-foot

33:58.140 --> 33:59.820 fucking cinder block wall.

33:59.820 --> 34:02.140 I somehow lose this fucking wall,

34:02.340 --> 34:04.800 and I'm running back to our buses,

34:05.020 --> 34:06.560 and then they're walking Manson out,

34:06.560 --> 34:09.180 and they're like,

34:09.240 --> 34:10.240 what are you running from?

34:10.340 --> 34:11.080 But it's just one of these

34:11.080 --> 34:12.440 stupid fucking stories

34:12.440 --> 34:13.840 that no one would ever believe.

34:14.100 --> 34:15.760 It was just funny times,

34:15.960 --> 34:16.740 and yeah,

34:16.820 --> 34:18.420 that was a lot of the Texas shit.

34:18.780 --> 34:19.380 Wait, Jenna,

34:19.540 --> 34:20.420 tell Daniel,

34:20.720 --> 34:23.140 you know someone with his mugshot

34:23.140 --> 34:24.060 from the show.

34:24.620 --> 34:26.880 I guess it was in the San Antonio show.

34:27.180 --> 34:29.220 He had that picture printed out of you,

34:29.220 --> 34:31.440 like that 8x10 of your mugshot printed out.

34:31.760 --> 34:34.200 We met somebody at the New Orleans show.

34:34.280 --> 34:35.280 I think her name's Ashley.

34:35.280 --> 34:38.440 Ashley, she still has the photo

34:38.440 --> 34:39.580 that Manson, like,

34:39.840 --> 34:41.540 tossed out to the crowd.

34:42.060 --> 34:43.040 Yeah, because everyone's like,

34:43.100 --> 34:44.060 what the hell is it?

34:44.100 --> 34:44.380 I'm like,

34:44.420 --> 34:45.980 it's some dude's face.

34:46.360 --> 34:48.240 Like, and our guitar tech,

34:48.440 --> 34:50.720 Shannon had it in the guitar boat

34:50.720 --> 34:51.220 for a while,

34:51.280 --> 34:51.820 then I had, like,

34:51.860 --> 34:53.740 the movie eye sticker things

34:53.740 --> 34:54.400 on my eyes.

34:54.700 --> 34:55.780 Okay, so you kind of already

34:55.780 --> 34:56.400 answered this,

34:56.520 --> 34:57.920 but was Manson,

34:58.160 --> 34:59.060 because he kind of seemed

34:59.060 --> 35:00.620 like a father figure to you,

35:01.100 --> 35:02.180 do you consider him

35:02.180 --> 35:03.620 a mentor of yours?

35:04.620 --> 35:05.020 Totally.

35:05.420 --> 35:07.040 Yeah, he had a lot of shit going on.

35:07.140 --> 35:07.380 He's like,

35:07.700 --> 35:08.580 that dude's a fucking,

35:08.680 --> 35:09.860 he's a really good rock star,

35:09.940 --> 35:10.260 and, like,

35:10.700 --> 35:12.300 he would take time out of his day

35:12.300 --> 35:12.600 for, like,

35:12.660 --> 35:13.380 eyeball shit,

35:13.480 --> 35:13.620 like,

35:13.680 --> 35:14.760 how you doing,

35:15.100 --> 35:15.580 all that.

35:15.940 --> 35:17.300 Always wished me happy birthday,

35:17.420 --> 35:18.660 always made sure my birthday

35:18.660 --> 35:19.680 was special on tour.

35:19.780 --> 35:20.160 It's like,

35:20.820 --> 35:21.640 that shit was cool,

35:21.640 --> 35:24.120 because my grandma's gone now,

35:24.280 --> 35:25.360 my grandpa's gone,

35:25.520 --> 35:27.040 and I don't have the greatest

35:27.040 --> 35:28.260 relationship with my mom,

35:28.540 --> 35:29.740 and I still haven't met my dad,

35:29.820 --> 35:30.240 so it's like,

35:30.360 --> 35:30.520 that,

35:30.660 --> 35:31.480 that's where Manson,

35:31.560 --> 35:31.900 I think,

35:32.320 --> 35:33.300 the entity of Manson,

35:33.360 --> 35:33.520 like,

35:33.880 --> 35:35.040 that filled a lot of voids

35:35.040 --> 35:35.640 of that stuff,

35:35.700 --> 35:36.020 and, like,

35:36.080 --> 35:36.620 like I said,

35:36.740 --> 35:37.840 you'd have a bad time,

35:37.900 --> 35:39.440 that's what you relied on,

35:39.540 --> 35:39.740 like,

35:39.840 --> 35:40.760 when you relied on music.

35:42.140 --> 35:42.540 So,

35:42.720 --> 35:43.140 of course,

35:43.240 --> 35:43.420 yeah,

35:43.480 --> 35:44.780 he was definitely a father figure

35:44.780 --> 35:45.300 who looked out

35:45.300 --> 35:46.320 for my little bitch ass

35:46.320 --> 35:46.820 on tour.

35:46.820 --> 35:49.060 So you kind of already

35:49.060 --> 35:49.940 answered this too,

35:50.120 --> 35:50.320 but,

35:50.660 --> 35:51.000 so,

35:51.400 --> 35:52.780 why did you leave

35:52.780 --> 35:53.760 Manson's camp,

35:53.860 --> 35:54.400 because,

35:55.080 --> 35:55.900 were they just going

35:55.900 --> 35:57.180 in a different direction?

35:58.460 --> 35:58.740 Yeah,

35:58.820 --> 35:59.180 it's like,

35:59.480 --> 35:59.940 I don't know,

36:00.080 --> 36:01.000 like I said before,

36:01.060 --> 36:01.860 I had a lot of resentment,

36:02.040 --> 36:03.220 because it kind of blocked

36:03.220 --> 36:03.600 me,

36:03.680 --> 36:04.680 my chance to be in the gym,

36:04.780 --> 36:05.060 but,

36:05.600 --> 36:06.000 overall,

36:06.220 --> 36:06.960 it was just a way

36:06.960 --> 36:07.880 to conduct myself,

36:08.100 --> 36:09.100 I would just be in a little,

36:09.400 --> 36:10.380 a diva little bitch,

36:10.420 --> 36:11.540 and it was just time to go.

36:12.080 --> 36:12.400 Gotcha.

36:12.920 --> 36:13.880 So I got let go,

36:13.980 --> 36:14.460 and that was the,

36:14.660 --> 36:15.880 and probably the best thing

36:15.880 --> 36:16.780 that ever happened for me,

36:17.020 --> 36:17.420 because I get,

36:17.860 --> 36:18.600 even to this day,

36:18.700 --> 36:18.900 like,

36:19.160 --> 36:21.000 just growing as a better human.

36:21.500 --> 36:21.860 Yeah.

36:22.900 --> 36:23.260 So,

36:23.700 --> 36:24.040 yeah.

36:24.300 --> 36:24.580 So,

36:24.700 --> 36:25.580 it sounds like you keep up

36:25.580 --> 36:26.160 with Shane

36:26.160 --> 36:27.600 from the Manson camp,

36:27.640 --> 36:27.820 right?

36:27.880 --> 36:28.400 Do you keep up

36:28.400 --> 36:29.220 with anyone else?

36:30.620 --> 36:30.980 Oh,

36:30.980 --> 36:32.420 some of the people,

36:32.500 --> 36:33.080 I just saw

36:33.080 --> 36:33.880 the old monitor,

36:34.020 --> 36:35.160 it was the old monitor guy,

36:35.300 --> 36:35.780 Bruce,

36:36.680 --> 36:37.480 the sesh master.

36:38.040 --> 36:38.400 Okay.

36:38.800 --> 36:40.060 We played in Grand Rapids

36:40.060 --> 36:40.680 at his spot,

36:40.780 --> 36:41.720 and he's got mad love

36:41.720 --> 36:42.180 for him,

36:42.700 --> 36:43.040 still,

36:43.300 --> 36:43.320 and,

36:44.160 --> 36:45.000 so they missed it,

36:45.040 --> 36:45.920 but we had a little

36:45.920 --> 36:46.780 clique of people out

36:46.780 --> 36:46.920 there,

36:46.960 --> 36:47.660 like the front of house

36:47.660 --> 36:48.840 guys who got me my job,

36:49.060 --> 36:50.440 those guys were best friends.

36:51.060 --> 36:52.220 It was all family out there,

36:52.300 --> 36:53.000 so I got to keep up

36:53.000 --> 36:53.560 with everybody.

36:54.400 --> 36:55.060 This was probably

36:55.060 --> 36:56.200 the most asked question.

36:56.760 --> 36:57.720 What do you think

36:57.720 --> 36:59.880 of Manson's new era,

36:59.880 --> 37:00.800 and what is your favorite

37:00.800 --> 37:01.800 song off the new album?

37:01.800 --> 37:05.780 I absolutely adore it

37:05.780 --> 37:06.360 and love it,

37:06.360 --> 37:08.200 because we were out

37:08.200 --> 37:09.060 on that last tour,

37:09.240 --> 37:09.880 I was telling you about,

37:09.940 --> 37:11.060 that was not a disaster,

37:11.440 --> 37:12.120 we made it work,

37:12.220 --> 37:13.500 but just being hard,

37:13.700 --> 37:14.780 but every night,

37:14.880 --> 37:15.620 my band Ventana,

37:15.720 --> 37:16.420 we would come out,

37:16.500 --> 37:17.240 our opening song

37:17.240 --> 37:17.500 would be

37:17.500 --> 37:18.440 One Assassination

37:18.440 --> 37:19.380 Under God.

37:19.660 --> 37:21.180 We guys love that song,

37:21.280 --> 37:21.660 and you just,

37:22.240 --> 37:22.740 it's just,

37:22.780 --> 37:23.840 there's something about it.

37:24.420 --> 37:24.660 Yeah.

37:24.720 --> 37:25.640 My favorite era

37:25.640 --> 37:26.440 will always be

37:26.440 --> 37:27.020 The Four Chains,

37:27.600 --> 37:28.260 Don't Play Children,

37:28.380 --> 37:28.840 Mechanical,

37:28.960 --> 37:29.780 or Antichrist,

37:30.640 --> 37:31.640 Up to Holywood,

37:31.740 --> 37:32.560 those are like the ones

37:32.560 --> 37:34.200 that meant the most to me,

37:34.240 --> 37:35.300 but this last record,

37:35.380 --> 37:36.920 it just resonated so good,

37:37.020 --> 37:37.760 and they just did

37:37.760 --> 37:39.020 a great job.

37:40.500 --> 37:40.860 Like,

37:40.920 --> 37:41.600 people that aren't

37:41.600 --> 37:42.360 into Manson,

37:42.460 --> 37:43.180 that are my friends,

37:43.280 --> 37:44.220 they're going to jam,

37:44.300 --> 37:45.640 if we jam in a rehearsal space

37:45.640 --> 37:46.040 where there's like

37:46.040 --> 37:46.920 400 rooms,

37:46.980 --> 37:48.180 and people come in and out,

37:48.680 --> 37:49.620 and they would come by,

37:49.660 --> 37:49.800 like,

37:49.840 --> 37:49.940 yo,

37:49.940 --> 37:50.820 we know you're the Manson,

37:50.880 --> 37:51.000 dude,

37:51.000 --> 37:51.180 like,

37:51.220 --> 37:51.900 that new record

37:51.900 --> 37:53.000 fucking slaps,

37:53.060 --> 37:53.520 and they're like,

37:53.560 --> 37:53.780 whatever,

37:53.900 --> 37:54.920 they talk like now,

37:55.360 --> 37:55.920 and all that.

37:56.160 --> 37:56.400 Right.

37:56.780 --> 37:58.280 But it's just so good,

37:58.340 --> 37:59.340 they go in and see it live,

37:59.460 --> 37:59.760 it's like,

37:59.840 --> 38:00.460 it killed it,

38:00.520 --> 38:01.100 killed fucking,

38:01.180 --> 38:01.780 this drum sound,

38:01.860 --> 38:02.640 it's so good,

38:02.720 --> 38:03.060 and it's just,

38:03.440 --> 38:04.420 I'm happy for him,

38:04.480 --> 38:05.200 and seeing him

38:05.200 --> 38:06.280 and that kabuki drops,

38:06.340 --> 38:06.720 it's like,

38:07.380 --> 38:07.800 whoa,

38:08.280 --> 38:09.500 we're in 97 again.

38:09.640 --> 38:10.240 What is your favorite

38:10.240 --> 38:11.120 song off the album?

38:11.460 --> 38:12.420 Is it One Assassination?

38:13.940 --> 38:14.580 That one,

38:14.660 --> 38:14.820 or,

38:16.120 --> 38:17.320 Raise the Red Flag.

38:18.060 --> 38:18.460 Same.

38:18.580 --> 38:18.820 Like,

38:19.220 --> 38:20.140 so good,

38:20.140 --> 38:20.420 and like,

38:20.480 --> 38:21.560 when that video came out,

38:21.640 --> 38:21.820 I'm like,

38:21.900 --> 38:22.400 all right,

38:23.120 --> 38:23.560 did it,

38:23.620 --> 38:24.560 he fucking did it.

38:24.840 --> 38:25.060 Okay,

38:25.160 --> 38:26.800 so who are you currently

38:26.800 --> 38:28.020 working with now?

38:28.120 --> 38:28.920 I know you're on tour

38:28.920 --> 38:30.140 as we speak.

38:30.840 --> 38:31.200 Yeah,

38:31.360 --> 38:32.920 I'm in A Killer's Confession,

38:33.140 --> 38:33.460 which is,

38:33.800 --> 38:34.580 Waylon formerly

38:34.580 --> 38:35.280 and much from had,

38:35.740 --> 38:36.360 Stitch formerly

38:36.360 --> 38:37.220 and much from had myself

38:37.220 --> 38:38.100 formerly a shroom,

38:38.320 --> 38:40.420 and then also playing

38:40.420 --> 38:41.620 bass and dope,

38:42.060 --> 38:43.060 which is my main thing.

38:43.440 --> 38:43.680 Okay.

38:43.920 --> 38:44.280 Then,

38:44.600 --> 38:46.040 Gwar is on tour with this as well,

38:46.140 --> 38:47.080 but then I'm drum techs

38:47.080 --> 38:47.860 for Static X

38:47.860 --> 38:49.140 and play one of the robots

38:49.140 --> 38:50.360 that runs around on the stage.

38:50.700 --> 38:52.520 It's a long day every day.

38:52.740 --> 38:53.180 Damn.

38:53.560 --> 38:53.860 But,

38:54.060 --> 38:54.840 yeah,

38:54.880 --> 38:55.720 we're doing that now

38:55.720 --> 38:57.300 until about June 20th

38:57.300 --> 38:58.740 and have a couple festival things

38:58.740 --> 39:00.200 with The Killer Confection.

39:01.100 --> 39:01.540 Then,

39:01.600 --> 39:02.320 we go to Europe

39:02.320 --> 39:03.320 with Static,

39:03.520 --> 39:04.520 but I also play for the

39:04.520 --> 39:05.760 juggalo hip-hop band,

39:05.820 --> 39:06.380 Twisted.

39:06.940 --> 39:07.340 Yeah.

39:07.880 --> 39:08.600 I really,

39:08.760 --> 39:09.120 those two,

39:09.180 --> 39:10.000 I cannot say enough

39:10.000 --> 39:10.840 because they're big fans

39:10.840 --> 39:11.540 of Manson too

39:11.540 --> 39:12.380 because when I started

39:12.380 --> 39:13.120 playing with them,

39:13.540 --> 39:14.080 I had to shunnel,

39:14.140 --> 39:14.320 they go,

39:14.320 --> 39:15.400 you fuck with Manson?

39:15.460 --> 39:15.800 I'm like,

39:16.140 --> 39:16.380 yeah,

39:16.480 --> 39:16.720 dude,

39:16.820 --> 39:17.000 you?

39:17.100 --> 39:17.380 And he's like,

39:17.620 --> 39:17.840 man,

39:17.880 --> 39:18.920 I had this old car,

39:19.000 --> 39:20.720 it was a piece of shit,

39:20.960 --> 39:21.880 but I had that Portrait

39:21.880 --> 39:22.720 of the American Family

39:22.720 --> 39:23.740 fucking TV sticker

39:23.740 --> 39:24.720 on that bumper though.

39:26.480 --> 39:27.120 Holy shit,

39:27.180 --> 39:27.920 the Deerfman Twisted

39:27.920 --> 39:28.700 talking to you

39:28.700 --> 39:29.460 that you're playing

39:29.460 --> 39:30.780 the drums for now

39:30.780 --> 39:31.620 about your love

39:31.620 --> 39:32.440 for Marilyn Manson.

39:33.180 --> 39:33.380 Like,

39:33.420 --> 39:33.700 it was like,

39:33.780 --> 39:34.440 it's like weed,

39:34.600 --> 39:34.760 man.

39:34.760 --> 39:35.340 It sounds like weed.

39:35.460 --> 39:36.640 It's a universal language.

39:36.960 --> 39:37.300 It is.

39:37.340 --> 39:38.180 It really is.

39:38.360 --> 39:38.600 So,

39:38.720 --> 39:38.960 Daniel,

39:39.200 --> 39:40.620 how many instruments

39:40.620 --> 39:41.460 do you play?

39:42.540 --> 39:43.820 I play bass,

39:44.320 --> 39:46.200 somewhat keyboards,

39:46.300 --> 39:46.660 like I'm not,

39:46.740 --> 39:47.160 I can't,

39:47.200 --> 39:48.260 nowhere near like Yanni

39:48.260 --> 39:49.600 or anything like that,

39:49.680 --> 39:50.260 but keyboards,

39:50.560 --> 39:51.600 I'm primarily drums.

39:52.140 --> 39:52.540 So,

39:52.640 --> 39:53.500 you're like a jack

39:53.500 --> 39:54.220 of all trades

39:54.220 --> 39:54.940 pretty much.

39:55.920 --> 39:56.480 I try to,

39:56.480 --> 39:57.600 I try to be universal

39:57.600 --> 39:58.920 wherever I can help out,

39:59.140 --> 39:59.380 you know,

39:59.440 --> 40:00.080 like whether it's

40:00.080 --> 40:00.660 running around

40:00.660 --> 40:01.600 in a robot suit

40:01.600 --> 40:02.540 with static X,

40:02.640 --> 40:03.540 I just love

40:03.540 --> 40:04.420 doing shows

40:04.420 --> 40:05.660 and some people

40:05.660 --> 40:06.400 may sound cliche,

40:06.560 --> 40:07.280 but I love seeing

40:07.280 --> 40:08.360 like the younger generation

40:08.360 --> 40:08.940 that come to the

40:08.940 --> 40:09.880 see the show

40:09.880 --> 40:11.180 and you can see

40:11.180 --> 40:11.720 the excitement

40:11.720 --> 40:12.780 like we used to do.

40:13.100 --> 40:13.220 Right.

40:13.320 --> 40:13.500 You know,

40:13.520 --> 40:14.160 we'd be at the show

40:14.160 --> 40:15.380 and like so stoked

40:15.380 --> 40:15.780 and the kids

40:15.780 --> 40:16.800 that are waiting in line

40:16.800 --> 40:17.820 and especially

40:17.820 --> 40:18.780 if it's a Manson kid,

40:18.860 --> 40:19.760 I always try to bring,

40:19.980 --> 40:21.420 I have a plethora

40:21.420 --> 40:22.600 of old set lists

40:22.600 --> 40:23.640 every night

40:23.640 --> 40:24.500 and my guitar picks

40:24.500 --> 40:25.320 so if I see someone

40:25.320 --> 40:26.620 I usually try to have

40:26.620 --> 40:27.960 something on hand

40:27.960 --> 40:28.820 when they come to

40:28.820 --> 40:29.720 like so meet and greets

40:29.720 --> 40:30.180 or anywhere,

40:30.400 --> 40:31.060 any place,

40:31.160 --> 40:31.480 you know,

40:32.100 --> 40:32.540 because the kid

40:32.540 --> 40:33.200 would be mind blown

40:33.200 --> 40:34.380 like this dude

40:34.380 --> 40:34.980 just handed me

40:34.980 --> 40:36.220 a fucking Marilyn Manson

40:36.220 --> 40:36.840 guitar pick

40:36.840 --> 40:37.940 and I said red shirt.

40:37.940 --> 40:39.300 Oh yeah.

40:39.980 --> 40:40.520 Like I love that.

40:40.620 --> 40:41.080 I love to see

40:41.080 --> 40:41.900 the generation

40:41.900 --> 40:42.380 keep it,

40:42.940 --> 40:44.300 keep my favorite band going.

40:44.880 --> 40:45.260 You know,

40:45.420 --> 40:46.480 me and Jenna,

40:46.740 --> 40:48.040 we did some interviews

40:48.040 --> 40:49.200 with these shows

40:49.200 --> 40:49.700 that we went to

40:49.700 --> 40:50.300 with fans

40:50.300 --> 40:51.660 and there is

40:51.660 --> 40:53.740 a whole younger generation

40:53.740 --> 40:54.920 that's coming up

40:54.920 --> 40:55.780 that's like obsessed

40:55.780 --> 40:56.400 with him.

40:57.000 --> 40:57.800 It's crazy.

40:58.040 --> 40:58.540 Isn't it?

40:58.600 --> 40:59.220 In a bad way,

40:59.320 --> 40:59.880 but it's just like

40:59.880 --> 41:00.520 so cool

41:00.520 --> 41:02.000 that we're a bit older

41:02.000 --> 41:03.580 when I would do

41:03.580 --> 41:04.260 my dope thing

41:04.260 --> 41:04.600 people like,

41:04.680 --> 41:04.740 dude,

41:04.780 --> 41:05.160 I love your

41:05.160 --> 41:05.740 stage presence.

41:05.860 --> 41:06.660 It's so fucking rad.

41:06.700 --> 41:06.960 I'm like,

41:07.280 --> 41:07.400 well,

41:07.400 --> 41:08.500 you should check out

41:08.500 --> 41:09.380 the Dead to the World

41:09.380 --> 41:10.120 Tour video

41:10.120 --> 41:10.820 because that's where

41:10.820 --> 41:12.040 I steal all my shit from.

41:13.180 --> 41:14.120 That's the blueprint.

41:14.640 --> 41:15.840 I'm on stage with dope.

41:15.920 --> 41:16.600 I always call it

41:16.600 --> 41:17.320 the Twiggy Angel

41:17.320 --> 41:18.240 with the Scat Wings

41:18.240 --> 41:19.220 fucking headbang

41:19.220 --> 41:20.400 because that dude

41:20.400 --> 41:20.620 would,

41:20.780 --> 41:21.220 I don't know how

41:21.220 --> 41:21.900 he doesn't have

41:21.900 --> 41:22.840 back switching yet.

41:23.400 --> 41:24.900 He would go so hard

41:24.900 --> 41:25.600 and that was so

41:25.600 --> 41:26.380 impressionable

41:26.380 --> 41:28.380 like watching that

41:28.380 --> 41:29.340 dude rip out the angel.

41:29.440 --> 41:30.240 Now I'm on stage

41:30.240 --> 41:30.880 with dope doing

41:30.880 --> 41:31.700 like the same thing

41:31.700 --> 41:32.180 and it's like,

41:32.640 --> 41:33.800 it's fucking so cool.

41:33.980 --> 41:35.080 I've never like written

41:35.080 --> 41:36.140 a hit record

41:36.140 --> 41:37.800 or have a song

41:37.800 --> 41:38.120 in my,

41:38.200 --> 41:38.740 I've done my own

41:38.740 --> 41:39.700 little band and stuff

41:39.700 --> 41:40.240 but you know what I mean?

41:40.380 --> 41:41.140 Like I've been

41:41.140 --> 41:42.940 a million times over

41:42.940 --> 41:44.180 with just feeling it

41:44.180 --> 41:45.100 and giving that vibe

41:45.100 --> 41:46.520 and like just inspiring people.

41:46.640 --> 41:47.960 That's priceless to me.

41:48.600 --> 41:49.420 It is.

41:49.720 --> 41:50.960 I'm an entertainer

41:50.960 --> 41:52.200 and I've always

41:52.200 --> 41:53.020 loved doing that.

41:53.780 --> 41:54.220 Well,

41:54.280 --> 41:54.920 we miss you,

41:55.000 --> 41:55.300 Daniel.

41:55.840 --> 41:56.900 We hope that we

41:56.900 --> 41:57.800 can see you.

41:58.060 --> 41:58.380 Do you think

41:58.380 --> 41:59.160 you'll be back?

41:59.980 --> 42:00.760 I would go,

42:00.760 --> 42:01.380 I would drop

42:01.380 --> 42:02.420 everything to go back.

42:02.580 --> 42:03.060 I love,

42:03.420 --> 42:04.640 especially in a

42:04.640 --> 42:05.560 better headspace

42:05.560 --> 42:06.140 and when you're

42:06.140 --> 42:07.040 understanding more

42:07.040 --> 42:08.060 about life

42:08.060 --> 42:08.920 and growing up

42:08.920 --> 42:09.620 a few years,

42:09.940 --> 42:10.700 I would go back

42:10.700 --> 42:11.120 in a heartbeat.

42:11.220 --> 42:12.040 I would drop it all

42:12.040 --> 42:13.600 because I'd never

42:13.600 --> 42:14.640 laughed so hard

42:14.640 --> 42:15.780 and just had like

42:15.780 --> 42:16.580 the crew too

42:16.580 --> 42:17.280 just had so much

42:17.280 --> 42:18.020 fun times

42:18.020 --> 42:19.060 and just putting

42:19.060 --> 42:19.840 that show up

42:19.840 --> 42:21.140 and like waiting

42:21.140 --> 42:21.960 for the kabuki

42:21.960 --> 42:23.460 to drop for Antichrist

42:23.460 --> 42:23.920 to make sure

42:23.920 --> 42:24.620 the three shock

42:24.620 --> 42:25.420 symbols dropped

42:25.420 --> 42:27.500 like down to that stuff.

42:27.580 --> 42:27.940 Like that's what

42:27.940 --> 42:28.440 I cared about

42:28.440 --> 42:28.980 so much

42:28.980 --> 42:29.320 at the end

42:29.320 --> 42:29.860 of the Slipknot

42:29.860 --> 42:30.220 tour.

42:31.040 --> 42:31.460 We had a couple

42:31.460 --> 42:31.960 guys that were

42:31.960 --> 42:32.600 working that didn't

42:32.600 --> 42:33.680 give a fuck

42:33.680 --> 42:34.320 and one would

42:34.320 --> 42:34.940 drop down

42:34.940 --> 42:35.540 backwards,

42:35.900 --> 42:36.320 one wouldn't

42:36.320 --> 42:36.860 drop down

42:36.860 --> 42:37.240 at all

42:37.240 --> 42:37.720 and it's like

42:37.720 --> 42:38.980 this is like

42:38.980 --> 42:39.560 the pinnacle

42:39.560 --> 42:40.820 of the fucking show

42:40.820 --> 42:43.360 and you're fucking

42:43.360 --> 42:43.920 it up.

42:44.320 --> 42:44.840 Yeah, like trying

42:44.840 --> 42:45.540 to throw a water

42:45.540 --> 42:46.140 bottle at the

42:46.140 --> 42:47.120 fucking solenoid

42:47.120 --> 42:47.660 in the truss

42:47.660 --> 42:48.300 trying to drop

42:48.300 --> 42:49.320 the goddamn thing.

42:49.700 --> 42:50.860 Oh my god.

42:50.880 --> 42:51.300 That's the other

42:51.300 --> 42:51.680 thing too,

42:51.740 --> 42:52.440 it sucks when you

42:52.440 --> 42:53.040 talk to people

42:53.040 --> 42:53.580 like, yeah,

42:53.620 --> 42:54.120 I went to see

42:54.120 --> 42:54.620 Madison and all

42:54.620 --> 42:55.280 I did was break

42:55.280 --> 42:56.200 shit on stage.

42:56.320 --> 42:57.240 Like, it's just

42:57.240 --> 42:58.200 part of like the

42:58.200 --> 42:58.600 show.

42:58.720 --> 43:00.020 Like, that's what

43:00.020 --> 43:00.900 I live for every

43:00.900 --> 43:01.140 night.

43:01.300 --> 43:02.240 Like, when shit

43:02.240 --> 43:02.880 would get broken

43:02.880 --> 43:03.660 like in my own

43:03.660 --> 43:04.320 band, like breaking

43:04.320 --> 43:05.360 stuff, it's way

43:05.360 --> 43:06.080 more expensive

43:06.080 --> 43:07.420 and it sucks

43:07.420 --> 43:09.620 but there's no,

43:09.760 --> 43:10.280 it's such a

43:10.280 --> 43:11.160 liberating feeling

43:11.160 --> 43:11.680 throwing a

43:11.680 --> 43:12.480 kick drum across

43:12.480 --> 43:13.060 the gate.

43:13.580 --> 43:14.580 It's silly and

43:14.580 --> 43:15.320 immature as it

43:15.320 --> 43:15.760 sounds.

43:16.380 --> 43:16.860 I get it.

43:16.940 --> 43:17.480 I understand

43:17.480 --> 43:18.120 because it's like

43:18.120 --> 43:18.540 a bunch of

43:18.540 --> 43:19.680 pent-up rage

43:19.680 --> 43:20.500 on the road.

43:21.060 --> 43:22.000 Yeah, like it

43:22.000 --> 43:23.200 just, it just

43:23.200 --> 43:24.180 translates so well

43:24.180 --> 43:24.600 like when you

43:24.600 --> 43:25.100 see like the

43:25.100 --> 43:26.020 old Keith Moon

43:26.020 --> 43:27.040 and the Who

43:27.040 --> 43:28.900 and even like

43:28.900 --> 43:29.840 Reznor and all

43:29.840 --> 43:30.480 the punk, it's

43:30.480 --> 43:31.260 like a punk rock

43:31.260 --> 43:32.440 that's just, I

43:32.440 --> 43:33.440 don't know, and

43:33.440 --> 43:34.660 I just grew up

43:34.660 --> 43:35.360 watching Twiggy

43:35.360 --> 43:36.260 smash Thunderbird

43:36.260 --> 43:36.940 basses and the

43:36.940 --> 43:37.560 drum kits and

43:37.560 --> 43:38.740 fuck Ginger up.

43:40.280 --> 43:41.640 Ginger, like

43:41.640 --> 43:42.500 Kenneth Wilson, he

43:42.500 --> 43:43.120 is my favorite

43:43.120 --> 43:44.520 drummer because he

43:44.520 --> 43:45.520 taught me dynamic

43:45.520 --> 43:46.520 and playing as a

43:46.520 --> 43:48.140 kid to let like

43:48.140 --> 43:48.720 the backing

43:48.720 --> 43:50.100 beats breathe in

43:50.100 --> 43:50.860 the mix and not

43:50.860 --> 43:51.600 be on top of

43:51.600 --> 43:52.260 everything and

43:52.260 --> 43:53.360 learning how to

43:53.360 --> 43:54.000 be under pressure

43:54.000 --> 43:54.660 when a singer's

43:54.660 --> 43:55.220 coming at you

43:55.220 --> 43:55.860 with fucking a

43:55.860 --> 43:56.860 microphone stand.

43:56.860 --> 43:59.800 I just understood

43:59.800 --> 44:00.640 like getting the

44:00.640 --> 44:01.580 cues to start a

44:01.580 --> 44:02.320 song and like

44:02.320 --> 44:02.780 that's so

44:02.780 --> 44:04.160 important because

44:04.160 --> 44:04.800 you'll see like

44:04.800 --> 44:05.440 you'll go to see

44:05.440 --> 44:05.940 an artist and

44:05.940 --> 44:06.420 they can't get

44:06.420 --> 44:06.800 it together

44:06.800 --> 44:07.440 and try to start

44:07.440 --> 44:08.020 the song and

44:08.020 --> 44:08.320 it's like a

44:08.320 --> 44:09.120 fucking mess and

44:09.120 --> 44:10.140 like that's how

44:10.140 --> 44:10.740 I got to do so

44:10.740 --> 44:11.260 many gigs.

44:11.420 --> 44:11.920 I was just

44:11.920 --> 44:12.580 understood all

44:12.580 --> 44:13.840 that and funny

44:13.840 --> 44:15.220 enough, Edsel has

44:15.220 --> 44:17.240 a weird like in

44:17.240 --> 44:17.980 this circle because

44:17.980 --> 44:18.620 he grew up with

44:18.620 --> 44:19.640 Ginger in Florida.

44:20.200 --> 44:20.800 So those two have

44:20.800 --> 44:21.260 known each other

44:21.260 --> 44:21.580 forever.

44:21.760 --> 44:22.700 Then Manson knew

44:22.700 --> 44:23.260 him because I was

44:23.260 --> 44:24.180 doing assistant stuff

44:24.180 --> 44:24.760 at his house one

44:24.760 --> 44:25.300 night and I was

44:25.300 --> 44:26.160 living with Edsel in

44:26.160 --> 44:27.880 Northridge and he

44:27.880 --> 44:28.700 said something like

44:28.700 --> 44:29.240 are you still

44:29.240 --> 44:30.020 living with Edsel?

44:30.140 --> 44:30.540 I'm like yeah.

44:30.640 --> 44:31.040 He's like well

44:31.040 --> 44:32.000 when you go home

44:32.000 --> 44:32.480 tonight you should

44:32.480 --> 44:33.160 call him Ronald

44:33.160 --> 44:33.660 McDonald.

44:34.060 --> 44:34.700 I'm like all

44:34.700 --> 44:35.060 right.

44:35.640 --> 44:36.420 He's like you

44:36.420 --> 44:37.840 care to explain?

44:37.980 --> 44:38.900 He's like no

44:38.900 --> 44:39.420 you'll see.

44:39.420 --> 44:40.740 I go to the E

44:40.740 --> 44:41.960 and I'm like

44:41.960 --> 44:42.700 what's up Ronald

44:42.700 --> 44:43.220 McDonald?

44:43.480 --> 44:44.180 He's like no

44:44.180 --> 44:44.800 you fucking hang

44:44.800 --> 44:45.420 out with Brian.

44:47.020 --> 44:48.880 Let me tell you

44:48.880 --> 44:49.180 about those

44:49.180 --> 44:49.740 motherfuckers.

44:49.860 --> 44:50.320 He's been hanging

44:50.320 --> 44:50.900 out for a long

44:50.900 --> 44:51.600 time with him but

44:51.600 --> 44:53.020 he loves me like

44:53.020 --> 44:53.700 just as much as

44:53.700 --> 44:53.880 us.

44:53.940 --> 44:54.480 He would rock

44:54.480 --> 44:55.140 the Manson with

44:55.140 --> 44:55.460 us.

44:55.460 --> 44:57.340 He was out in

44:57.340 --> 44:58.040 New Orleans when

44:58.040 --> 44:58.600 they were recording

44:58.600 --> 45:00.660 all that stuff and

45:00.660 --> 45:02.180 it's just cool that

45:02.180 --> 45:02.840 all these people in

45:02.840 --> 45:04.200 the circle got

45:04.200 --> 45:04.780 nothing but good

45:04.780 --> 45:05.480 things to say about

45:05.480 --> 45:05.640 them.

45:07.440 --> 45:08.560 Daniel thank you

45:08.560 --> 45:09.980 so much for your

45:09.980 --> 45:10.300 time.

45:10.420 --> 45:10.860 We're looking at

45:10.860 --> 45:11.640 your tour dates and

45:11.640 --> 45:12.780 we're like this guy

45:12.780 --> 45:13.760 doesn't have a day

45:13.760 --> 45:14.860 off like hardly

45:14.860 --> 45:15.520 ever.

45:16.520 --> 45:17.760 Yeah they're few

45:17.760 --> 45:19.240 and far between but

45:19.240 --> 45:20.700 I would take any

45:20.700 --> 45:21.740 time to talk about

45:21.740 --> 45:22.460 this because I love

45:22.460 --> 45:23.500 I love it still you

45:23.500 --> 45:24.920 know I I love

45:24.920 --> 45:25.620 talking about I

45:25.620 --> 45:26.440 love meeting people

45:26.440 --> 45:27.480 that care about it

45:27.480 --> 45:29.240 onto our shows and

45:29.240 --> 45:30.000 like like I said

45:30.000 --> 45:30.920 you know like yeah

45:30.920 --> 45:31.460 this is where this

45:31.460 --> 45:31.940 come from.

45:32.060 --> 45:32.620 No I look like

45:32.620 --> 45:32.900 Bogo.

45:33.120 --> 45:33.940 I absolutely do

45:33.940 --> 45:34.580 because that's

45:34.580 --> 45:36.360 that stuff is so

45:36.360 --> 45:37.560 important like to

45:37.560 --> 45:38.320 show your influences

45:38.320 --> 45:39.440 because I would read

45:39.440 --> 45:40.460 about those guys who

45:40.460 --> 45:42.400 they're like I don't

45:42.400 --> 45:42.940 want to listen to

45:42.940 --> 45:44.340 this shit like this

45:44.340 --> 45:45.380 isn't heavy but now

45:45.380 --> 45:46.160 I'm like that's some

45:46.160 --> 45:46.860 of my favorite stuff

45:46.860 --> 45:48.120 to listen to right

45:48.120 --> 45:48.740 and just getting

45:48.740 --> 45:49.700 the influences out

45:49.700 --> 45:51.180 so yeah anytime you

45:51.180 --> 45:52.400 want to talk I'm

45:52.400 --> 45:53.380 here and if we're

45:53.380 --> 45:54.820 ever in town near you

45:54.820 --> 45:55.940 guys just let me know

45:55.940 --> 45:56.600 if we get on the list.

45:56.700 --> 45:57.560 I know there was I

45:57.560 --> 45:58.300 was telling Jen I was

45:58.300 --> 45:59.080 like there's so many

45:59.080 --> 46:00.020 times that Daniel's

46:00.020 --> 46:00.840 been here with a bit

46:00.840 --> 46:01.600 because you travel with

46:01.600 --> 46:02.220 like so many different

46:02.220 --> 46:03.400 bands and I was like

46:03.400 --> 46:04.040 there's been so many

46:04.040 --> 46:05.040 times he's been here

46:05.040 --> 46:05.980 and I can't see him

46:05.980 --> 46:06.780 because I feel like

46:06.780 --> 46:07.880 there's always something

46:07.880 --> 46:09.100 going on like I always

46:09.100 --> 46:10.020 miss you guys.

46:10.540 --> 46:11.500 Right always there's

46:11.500 --> 46:12.560 always a bad day or

46:12.560 --> 46:14.020 yeah or it's like I'm

46:14.020 --> 46:15.540 out of town or you

46:15.540 --> 46:16.280 know or I'm going to

46:16.280 --> 46:17.200 another show or some

46:17.200 --> 46:18.160 ship I'll definitely

46:18.160 --> 46:18.980 come see you guys.

46:19.240 --> 46:19.400 Anytime.

46:19.720 --> 46:20.820 We're static going

46:20.820 --> 46:22.040 out with Mudvayne in

46:22.040 --> 46:23.140 this fall so I might

46:23.140 --> 46:24.140 be closer to you but

46:24.140 --> 46:24.860 if you come through

46:24.860 --> 46:25.380 let me know.

46:25.480 --> 46:25.700 Okay.

46:25.840 --> 46:26.140 Take care of you.

46:26.400 --> 46:26.720 All right.

46:26.900 --> 46:27.740 Thank you Daniel.

46:28.400 --> 46:29.260 Thank you Daniel.

46:30.220 --> 46:31.460 That motherfucker's

46:31.460 --> 46:32.320 going to get my

46:32.320 --> 46:32.700 medal.

46:34.340 --> 46:34.980 All right we're

46:34.980 --> 46:35.680 going to wrap up this

46:35.680 --> 46:37.320 episode eight with

46:37.320 --> 46:38.200 Daniel Fox.

46:38.460 --> 46:39.220 Thank you so much

46:39.220 --> 46:40.100 again for joining the

46:40.100 --> 46:40.860 Manson podcast.

46:42.040 --> 46:42.800 Also I know we've

46:42.800 --> 46:43.580 talked about it a lot

46:43.580 --> 46:44.580 but Manson is going

46:44.580 --> 46:45.980 on tour in the fall

46:45.980 --> 46:46.980 starting September

46:46.980 --> 46:49.300 20th in Pittsburgh

46:49.300 --> 46:50.440 Pennsylvania.

46:51.400 --> 46:51.880 Tickets are going

46:51.880 --> 46:53.040 pretty fast so get

46:53.040 --> 46:54.160 on it if you guys

46:54.160 --> 46:54.740 want to go.

46:55.000 --> 46:55.520 There's there's only

46:55.520 --> 46:57.100 10 headlining shows

46:57.100 --> 46:58.620 so I would not miss

46:58.620 --> 46:59.940 those because we

46:59.940 --> 47:00.540 don't know when he'll

47:00.540 --> 47:01.880 tour again in the

47:01.880 --> 47:02.280 U.S.

47:02.740 --> 47:03.900 Jenna and I will be

47:03.900 --> 47:05.300 in Denver Colorado

47:05.300 --> 47:07.080 September 25th because

47:07.080 --> 47:07.760 it is Jenna's

47:07.760 --> 47:08.140 birthday.

47:09.140 --> 47:11.140 If any of you wanted

47:11.140 --> 47:12.120 to come hang out

47:12.120 --> 47:13.080 come hang out then

47:13.080 --> 47:14.780 because your girl is

47:14.780 --> 47:15.960 turning well I guess

47:15.960 --> 47:16.840 I shouldn't say girl

47:16.840 --> 47:17.280 anymore.

47:17.680 --> 47:18.340 Nah fuck it.

47:18.560 --> 47:19.480 Your girl is turning

47:19.480 --> 47:21.540 40 so come hang out.

47:21.760 --> 47:22.500 Thank you guys for

47:22.500 --> 47:22.920 listening.

47:23.160 --> 47:24.140 You can find me on

47:24.140 --> 47:25.960 Instagram at Alex

47:25.960 --> 47:27.320 and Claire and you

47:27.320 --> 47:29.180 can find me on the

47:29.180 --> 47:31.340 Graham at Jenna X

47:31.340 --> 47:31.860 Arkansas.

47:32.460 --> 47:33.320 You can also find the

47:33.320 --> 47:34.600 podcast on Instagram

47:34.600 --> 47:36.700 at Manson podcast and

47:36.700 --> 47:38.540 until next time take

47:38.540 --> 47:40.060 care of yourself and

47:40.060 --> 47:40.900 we'll see you soon.

47:40.900 --> 47:41.400 Bye.